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His exit strategy will be known soon enough. Around primary time.
Tell me how AQ was behind Dafur.
Never mind the rest of the post, not that i was even arguing about our inaction in Sudan, but that has been going long before the bush years and we ed up in the neighboring country of Somalia.
But even at that chump, your all bout racking debate points and winning points for the good team, damn real discussion cuz " i want that exit strategy, even if i was the president i wouldnt issue my war strategies to a doof on a sports forum and trust that he keep it classified."
Yeah, your king when it comes to reasonable debate.
His exit strategy will be known soon enough. Around primary time.
Tell me how AQ was behind Dafur.
Eh, the Iranians know that the U.S. would need a ground invasion to halt all their work on enriching uranium, unless, the U.S. used tactical nuclear-tipped bunker-buster missiles, and that would radicalize any even larger portion of moderate Muslims and make a pariah of the U.S..But that's not the real problem. You're the one that although having a good understanding of ME politics, act like we are going against a socialist country who would easily adhere to a MAD policy rather than do a "kill em all no matter if it destroys you "strategy that would be employed by a radical theocratic regime.
We simply don't have the necessary troops to invade and hold Iran, a country of 70 million people, and the WH has not shown it has the courage to make the choices it needed to make long ago to strengthen present troop levels. This is why the U.S. needs the U.N., but neither China nor Russia, who hold veto power, are likely to let Iran be referred to the security council.
Alqueda was putting in resources into the muslims to fight the christians. AQ was in sudan before it went to afghanistan.
Please read the 911 commission report before asking 4th grade questions.
And this is all coming from the great logistical armchair general known as NBAdan.....right.
World War 3? That sucks, I guess I'll have to build a fall out shelter when I move to Canada to escape the imminent military draft you've warned us repeatedly about. I'll have to leave soon though, once gas reaches the $4.00 per gallon that you predicted, I wont be driving for a while.
My Predictions of events never change, but the timelines are dynamic to account for human unpredictability.
Red Lines in the Iranian Sand--surprise nuke attack on Iran??
RED LINES IN THE IRANIAN SAND
By Praful Bidwai
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All this might only frustrate US efforts to diplomatically isolate Iran," said Qamar Agha, a Middle East expert at the Center for West and Central Asian Studies at the Jamia Millia Islamia university in New Delhi. "Western Europe is far too dependent upon Iran's oil and gas to go to extreme lengths in sustaining sanctions that cripple Iran's energy generation. Therefore, the US might be tempted to use military force, jointly with Israel, to bomb select facilities in Iran."
In recent weeks, US Central Intelligence Agency director Porter Goss visited Turkey and briefed a number of other states in Iran's neighborhood on US plans for attacking Iran. Israel has already declared that Iran's nuclear program "can be destroyed".
The German magazine Der Spiegel wrote that Goss had asked Turkey to provide unfettered exchange of intelligence that could help with a mission to attack Iran. It also reported that the governments of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Oman and Pakistan had been informed in recent weeks of Washington's military plans.
And Israel's Likud Party leader Benjamin Netanyahu has nostalgically invoked his country's 1981 attack on Iraq's experimental nuclear reactor under construction.
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A former Indian intelligence officer, Vikram Sood, said that such an attack might use nuclear weapons. "A conventional attack on Iran would be expensive and not quite cost-effective. It would allow Iranian retaliation." To preempt retaliation, the US might use tactical nuclear weapons against Iran's underground facilities.
"The tragedy unfolding," said Sood, "is that if the US believes that its adversary possesses or has the intention to possess WMD , then it is justified to consider this a threat to itself and to US forces in the region. It must, therefore, act preemptively. The fear also is that unlike in the case of Iraq when considerable time was spent in building the case, this time the attack will be sudden and actual justifications will be given later."
Any such attack would break the 60-year-old, very welcome, taboo against the use of nuclear weapons - with extraordinarily negative consequences for global peace and security.
Such an outcome can only be prevented if the West moves away from coercive diplomacy to isolate Iran and opens serious talks with it, and if the nuclear weapons states rethink their own policies.
As the West accuses Iran of nursing nuclear ambitions, it has itself no intention of reducing nuclear arms. The US has embarked on a plan to expand its nuclear capability both upward, through "Star Wars", and downward, through bunker-buster bombs. Similarly, Britain has announced a $40 billion replacement project for the Trident missile.
Meanwhile, in Afghanistan:
January 13, 2006
Pakistan Says U.S. Planes Crossed Border and Killed 18
By MOHAMMAD KHAN
PESHAWAR, Pakistan, Jan. 13 - American planes crossed from Afghanistan into Pakistan's Bajaur tribal region and fired on residential compounds in a Pakistani village early this morning, killing 18 people and wounding 6 others, Pakistani officials and eyewitnesses said.
Villagers and security officials said that four American aircraft entered the Pakistani tribal region that borders Afghanistan's eastern Kunar province at about 3.15 a.m. Pakistan Time. The planes targeted residential buildings in the Berkandi area of Damadola, about 25 miles from the border inside Pakistan, they said.
The mountainous province of Kunar is frequently the site of clashes between United States-led coalition forces and armed militants who are believed to use Pakistan as a sanctuary. In June last year, 19 American servicemen were killed in Kunar in the heaviest single combat loss in the four years of fighting in Afghanistan.
American military officials have said that their forces in Afghanistan do not have the right to cross the border into Pakistan, even in pursuit of militants. The issue is particularly sensitive for Pakistan, since the inhabitants of the border areas are strongly anti-American and pro-Taliban.
Witnesses from the village said that 14 of the dead belonged to one family. Sahibzada Haroon Rashid, a tribal parliamentarian from the region, whose village, Gung, is next to Damadola, claimed to have seen a drone surveying the area some hours before the attack.
"The drone has been flying over the area for the last three, four days and I had a feeling that something nasty was going to happen," Mr. Rashid said in a telephone interview from Bajaur.
"I was awakened from deep slumber by the noise of the drone and then, together with thousands others who, too, had been woken up by the plane's noise, saw jets targeting the area," Mr. Rashid said. "One plane circled the area and dropped illuminating flares and the other planes fired missiles. There were loud explosions." He said that the planes had targeted three houses, all belonging to jewelry dealers in a nearby town.
"The houses have been razed to the ground. There is nothing left," Mr. Rashid said after visiting the scene. "Pieces of the missiles are scattered all around. The impact of the explosions have been huge, everything has been blackened in a 100 meter radius." United States military spokesmen in Afghanistan and at the Pentagon said they had no reports of American aircraft active in the area at the time of the reported explosions.
Asked if a pilotless Predator Drone was operating in the area, Maj. Todd Vicion, a public affairs officer at the Pentagon, said he did not know. "Those are operational details that we don't track," he said. Predator Drones are operated by the Central Intelligence Agency, not the United States military.
Among the dead are 6 women and 6 children under 10 years of age, villagers said.
A military spokesman, Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan, said he did not know the cause of the blasts. "People heard explosions and, as a result, there were a number of casualties. My information is that 11 to 14 people have been killed."
This is the second alleged United States attack in a Pakistani tribal region that has killed civilians in recent days. Eight people, including women and children, were reported killed when an American helicopter fired at the house of a local cleric in North Waziristan close to the Afghan border on Jan. 7.
Pakistan lodged a strong protest with coalition forces on Jan. 9, but said it was still investigating whether the two helicopters crossed the border or fired missiles from Afghan territory. Assadullah Wafa, the provincial governor of Kunar, which adjoins Pakistan's Bajaur region, said that there had been no activity in the border area involving Afghan military or police or American troops. He suggested the explosion was an internal Pakistani affair. But Mr. Wafa said Taliban and Al Qaeda militants were using Pakistan as a base for their operations.
"We don't have any problems with the people of Bajaur," the governor said, "but everyone knows that the Taliban and Al Qaeda are staying in Pakistan."
Villagers in Damadola said some of the bodies were badly mutilated and could not be identified. They were all buried in a mass grave.
Officials and residents in Damadola said there were no reports of any foreign militants being killed or being present in the three houses at the time of the attack.
"There are no foreign militants here. It is a peaceful area," Mr Rashid said. "It is a big question mark: why were innocent men, women and children killed?"
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