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Finley isn't mentally strong enough to deal with coming off the bench. Who finishes the game is more important anyway.
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When Manu comes into the game and Tim and Tony aren't on the floor, Manu becomes the primary scorer. Teams know this and will focus on Manu making it more difficult for Manu to score.
When he is on the floor with both Tim and Tony, Manu is not the main focus for the oponent's defense, Tim is, making it easier for Manu to score.
Finley isn't mentally strong enough to deal with coming off the bench. Who finishes the game is more important anyway.
According to what Pop has said recently, Manu is coming off the bench because there is nobody else on the bench who will provide that 6th man spark. I thought we were supposed to have this killer bench this season - what happened to that?! First it was Hedo, then Barry... now Manu has to sacrifice his earned starting spot again because nobody else on the bench has stepped up? I know that Manu is going to do what is best for the team, but I know that I would be a little miffed if I were in his shoes.
Now, Pop has also said that he wants 2 of his main 3 on the floor at all times, which I can't argue with. That can't happen if Manu starts, so I see the logic there. Our record is good, but I wish that we could rely on some of our other bench players.
well said.
In my opinion, yes - but only for now. Manus still getting into game shape, isnt he? When hes back to 100%, then make the switch.
I like Manu coming off the bench, but that's the weapon Pop usually saves for the playoffs. The team always looks stronger with Manu coming in to energize the second unit and then being Mr. Clutch in the 4th quarter.
Manu should start just to piss off the little fellow.
Very good point. Catch and shoot off the curl can be deadly and much higher percentage than a three pointer.I think we can use Finley better than we have. Use him like Detroit uses RIP...coming off a screen for an open jumper. Finley is the best, if not the only Spur, that has that ability. Use it.
As for Manu, I like having him off the bench so either he or Tony is always in the game to attack the basket. Otherwise we look alot like 2001 out there.
If the beginning of the season is any indication, Manu would sit after six minutes, Tony would play the whole first quarter, and it would be Manu/NVE to start the second quarter. So I think you still have that option.As for Manu, I like having him off the bench so either he or Tony is always in the game to attack the basket. Otherwise we look alot like 2001 out there.
It could really work either way. One of the things I miss, though, is Manu's ability to take the opening tipoff in for an easy layup in 5 seconds.
I was thinking the same thing. Manu is the only reason the jump ball doesn't suck.One of the things I miss, though, is Manu's ability to take the opening tipoff in for an easy layup in 5 seconds.
The little fellow is such a ing . I think he truly loves Manu, so he trash talks on his ass constantly so no one suspects it.
Finley should definitely NOT keep on starting. He was hired to come off the bench, and if he is the professional everyone says he is, then he should deliver off the bench.
Manu should not have to defer to Hedo, Brent, and now Mike for the same reason---they are not comfortable coming off the bench and Manu is so good at instant offense. If that was the panacea for success, then Phil Jackson should be using Kobe off the bench for his instant offense.
If Manu were an American player, he would have already stood up for his rights as a starter. He has earned that position.
Finley's Resume
A two-time NBA All-Star (2000 and 2001)
Spurs are his third NBA team
Named to the 1996 All-Rookie First Team (finished third in Rookie of the Year voting)
Has earned NBA Player of the Week honors three times (2/6/00, 4/14/02, 1/18/04)
Scored his 10,000th career point vs. Memphis on 3/23/02
Has led the NBA in minutes three times (1996-97, 1999-2000 and 2000-01)
Competed in the Slam Dunk Contest in 1996 and 1997 (in 1996 he was the runner-up behind Brent Barry in the Alamodome)
The Mavericks all-time leader in three-pointers made (with 870)
Among Mavericks all-time leaders in games (fourth), minutes (third), points (fourth), rebounds (fourth), assists (fifth), steals (second), FG made (fourth) and FT made (fifth)
Started each of the last 605 games he played with the Mavericks
In his 10-year NBA career has appeared in 735 regular season games averaging 19.0 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.7 assists and 1.16 steals in 39.3 minutes per contest
Has appeared in 56 playoff games, averaging 17.8 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.27 steals in 41.4 minutes in the postseason
A member of the USA team that competed in the 2002 World Championships
Played for the Team USA squad in the 1994 World University Games
Was named USA Basketball's Male Athlete of the Year.
Ginobili's Resume
Career Highlights
In Spurs playoff history ranks seventh in points (835), third in 3PT-FG made (80), seventh in rebounds (278), seventh in assists (198), third in steals (86), seventh in 3PT-FG percentage (.392) and is tied for eighth - with George Gervin - in games (57)
Led Argentina to the gold medal in the 2004 Olympics averaging 19.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.38 steals in 29.9 minutes in eight games
Named Fox Sports en Espanol’s 2003 Latin American Basketball Player of the Year
Finished fourth in voting for the 2002-03 got milk NBA Rookie of the Year Award
Voted to the 2002-03 got milk? NBA All-Rookie Second Team
Named the Western Conference got milk? Rookie of the Month for games played in March, 2003
Named 2001 Euroleague Finals MVP
Named the Italian League MVP in both 2000-01 and 2001-02
Named to the All-Tournament Team at the 2002 World Championships leading Argentina to a silver medal
Led Argentina to a second place finish in the 2003 FIBA Americas Men’s Olympic Qualifying Tournament , earning All-Tournament honors after averaging 14.1 points and 4.4 assists in the team’s 10 games
Finley > Ginobili
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partially agree, manu has more potential, but finley is more consistant besides last year's playoffs ginobili hasn't been that amazing.
Since when does a runer-up dunk compi ion mean anything in terms of being a better player?? Manu has played in more NBA play-off games than Finley, but he hasn't been in the NBA for nearly as long. Some of those things on the resume mean absolutely nothing.Finley's Resume
A two-time NBA All-Star (2000 and 2001)
Spurs are his third NBA team
Named to the 1996 All-Rookie First Team (finished third in Rookie of the Year voting)
Has earned NBA Player of the Week honors three times (2/6/00, 4/14/02, 1/18/04)
Scored his 10,000th career point vs. Memphis on 3/23/02
Has led the NBA in minutes three times (1996-97, 1999-2000 and 2000-01)
Competed in the Slam Dunk Contest in 1996 and 1997 (in 1996 he was the runner-up behind Brent Barry in the Alamodome)
The Mavericks all-time leader in three-pointers made (with 870)
Among Mavericks all-time leaders in games (fourth), minutes (third), points (fourth), rebounds (fourth), assists (fifth), steals (second), FG made (fourth) and FT made (fifth)
Started each of the last 605 games he played with the Mavericks
In his 10-year NBA career has appeared in 735 regular season games averaging 19.0 points, 5.1 rebounds, 3.7 assists and 1.16 steals in 39.3 minutes per contest
Has appeared in 56 playoff games, averaging 17.8 points, 5.2 rebounds, 2.9 assists and 1.27 steals in 41.4 minutes in the postseason
A member of the USA team that competed in the 2002 World Championships
Played for the Team USA squad in the 1994 World University Games
Was named USA Basketball's Male Athlete of the Year.
Ginobili's Resume
Career Highlights
In Spurs playoff history ranks seventh in points (835), third in 3PT-FG made (80), seventh in rebounds (278), seventh in assists (198), third in steals (86), seventh in 3PT-FG percentage (.392) and is tied for eighth - with George Gervin - in games (57)
Led Argentina to the gold medal in the 2004 Olympics averaging 19.3 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.3 assists and 1.38 steals in 29.9 minutes in eight games
Named Fox Sports en Espanol’s 2003 Latin American Basketball Player of the Year
Finished fourth in voting for the 2002-03 got milk NBA Rookie of the Year Award
Voted to the 2002-03 got milk? NBA All-Rookie Second Team
Named the Western Conference got milk? Rookie of the Month for games played in March, 2003
Named 2001 Euroleague Finals MVP
Named the Italian League MVP in both 2000-01 and 2001-02
Named to the All-Tournament Team at the 2002 World Championships leading Argentina to a silver medal
Led Argentina to a second place finish in the 2003 FIBA Americas Men’s Olympic Qualifying Tournament , earning All-Tournament honors after averaging 14.1 points and 4.4 assists in the team’s 10 games
Finley > Ginobili
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Maybe Finley has accomplished more things and awards in the NBA, but right now, Manu is a better player. Maybe Finley was better in his prime, but he is not in his prime, and Manu should start.
Maybe that has to do with Ginobili's role always getting twisted this way and that way. It still surprises me he can produce the way he does being jerked around so much for these mentally soft players that aren't effective unless they start.
I agree with BigVee, go back to the original starting 5 (with Nazr in place of Rasho) and try to establish some consistency instead of these jekyll and hyde lineups Popovich keeps throwing out there.
Sequ, since you posted Finley's resume, and how it shows how great he is and all of his accomplishments...shouldn't Finley be able to produce no matter what his role is??? I mean, he has played 735 regular season games.
Mentally soft is the exact term for Finley right now.
Manu's number one fan! (Sequ)
Finley only plays well when Manu is inactive. Even though he's still starting, his play has been for since Manu is back. 37% FG% when playing off Duncan is a disgrace.
Finley would be this year's Barry if Brent weren't doing an encore in his second year.
SequSpur the only things that count are championships here and internatonal and Manu>Finley. Plus you cannot measure clutch and Manu is clutch.
I could even make an arguement that Barry > Finley in a starting role while working Ginoblili (and lately in limiited minutes has been more aggressive).but whatever = Manu is a stud and needs to start period.
Actually Manu is quite good at this shot also (probably as reliable as Finley)and it is hardly ever run for him. I've always wondered why that is.
Finley blows.
Yes, Manu is better off the bench and needs downtime in order to prepare for the playoffs where he will see at least 25 minutes a game.
Yeah Finley sure blew when he was winning games singlehandedly there for a while.
Hes in a shooting slump, christ people.
You know its funny...its about time someone finally called out the Finley issue....He hasn't been playing well at all...The le of this thread shouldn't be whether he should start or not...it should be whether he should be playing right now. When Barry played like this last year...Pop benched his ass for about 10 games....Why isn't he doing that with Finley? Barry has barely been playing in the last month or so...I see no reason why he shouldnt get a shot at getting his 25 to 28 minutes a night back since Finley hasn't exactly been consistent. Especially since Barry adds ball movement to the equation which Finley doesn't. And don't give me any of that "well Finley is better of defense" crap, because thats BS. Barry has more dimensions than Finley and the Spurs lack of ball movement is an issue.
cause Finley is actually rebounding and giving effort on defense.Why isn't he doing that with Finley?
Unlike Brent Barry.
I see no reason why Barry should get a shot either.Barry has barely been playing in the last month or so...I see no reason why he shouldnt get a shot
your tryin to tell me that Barry is better defensively??And don't give me any of that "well Finley is better of defense" crap, because thats BS.
Interesting.....
like what.Barry has more dimensions than Finley
Passing??
True, that gutless wonder passes up alot of open shots.
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