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    The pick and rolls weren't there because Detroit switched on a lot of them.

    I did not see one parker-duncan pick n roll the entire game...i'm not saying it didnt happen, i just didnt see one.

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    I did not see one parker-duncan pick n roll the entire game...i'm not saying it didnt happen, i just didnt see one.
    Didn't you see Sheed on the ball guarding TP a few times?

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    It is not just the Pistons that know the Spurs offense...every team in the league knows exactly what they are going to do. If they run it with passion and set hard screens and cuts, etc. they can still do okay...but to simply run through their motion O... just doesn't do it anymore. Time for a little innovation. Holding the Pistons to 85 and 83 should get you two wins, I think. And I agree with someone who said...let's let the team that won the le defend it. That means back to the end of season starting five, Barry and Horry first off the bench, Rasho not much at all, and Finley and NVE can watch.

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    I don't know why everyone seems surprised by this? Kerr, Steve Smith, Hedo, Barry, Finley, NVE....EVERYTIME they bring in a player to be the "difference" maker...they don't play worth the first year. I loved all the Barry bashing last year. For whatever reason Finley and NVE have gotten off easy this year. Everyone wanted Barry traded by this time last year. No one seemed to remember the struggles of the previous players brought in before Barry...These guys are going through exactly what the other 4 players went through before them. You'd think after awhile some people on this board would figure out, that it is more than a coincidence that "solid" NBA players come in and struggle their first year in San Antonio.

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    It is not just the Pistons that know the Spurs offense...every team in the league knows exactly what they are going to do. If they run it with passion and set hard screens and cuts, etc. they can still do okay...but to simply run through their motion O... just doesn't do it anymore. Time for a little innovation. Holding the Pistons to 85 and 83 should get you two wins, I think. And I agree with someone who said...let's let the team that won the le defend it. That means back to the end of season starting five, Barry and Horry first off the bench, Rasho not much at all, and Finley and NVE can watch.

    I say screw that, or at least hold off on it, until a couple of more months.

    Let the Pistons play their starters for most of every regular season game. Let them look awesome in the regular season. I don't give a . I like that fact. Phoenix did it last year, look where it got them.

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    Phoenix did it last year, look where it got them.
    Yeah but they will have HCA in finals......

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    I say screw that, or at least hold off on it, until a couple of more months.

    Let the Pistons play their starters for most of every regular season game. Let them look awesome in the regular season. I don't give a . I like that fact. Phoenix did it last year, look where it got them.
    I could live with holding off, as long as they finally get back to it. Barry looks heavy and out of shape....needs to play more...if you look at his stats and normalize them for minutes they are similar to Finlelys.

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    Get your facts straight Rip can't post up for against the spurs and did not do it at all with efficiency last night nor has he ever in the past 2 seasons. We're not the same teams you play throughout the season.


    And I never said Chaucny would shoot that bad every game so try to read next time.
    rip will ing post up tony parker anytime he wants, maybe not bowen but parker won't get away with it. also you said that it was a good idea to have 2 point gaurds on defense. and what i said was that you won't always be able to do that against chauncey. so don't go cussing at me, and i've been watching rip this season he has been postoing up smaller gaurds, how many games have you seen him play this season, i've been watching the whole season so when it comes to this i know what i'm talking about.

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    and what i said was that you won't always be able to do that against chauncey. so
    No you didn't, you took offense that I said Chauncy had a bad game and let me know that he doesn't have many bad games.

    rip will ing post up tony parker anytime he wants,
    Okay I guess I missed parker getting constantly abused by Rip Hamilton posting up on him yesterday, on christmas day, and in the 7 game series.

    Lets take a look at the film and see how effortlessly he posted up tony last night.

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    I say screw that, or at least hold off on it, until a couple of more months.

    Let the Pistons play their starters for most of every regular season game. Let them look awesome in the regular season. I don't give a . I like that fact. Phoenix did it last year, look where it got them.
    yes the starters have played a lot, but the bench has had more pt lately besides yesterday's game. phoenix played there starters way more. also i think it was the fact that phoenix was very very bad defensively that made them lose not the pt. also the pistons in the past 2 season's have had not great regular season's with a lot of pt for the starters, but they almost won back to back. now they're on pace to get homecourt, i think people overthink about playing time.

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    yes the starters have played a lot, but the bench has had more pt lately besides yesterday's game. phoenix played there starters way more. also i think it was the fact that phoenix was very very bad defensively that made them lose not the pt. also the pistons in the past 2 season's have had not great regular season's with a lot of pt for the starters, but they almost won back to back. now they're on pace to get homecourt, i think people overthink about playing time.

    Look at the Spurs/Phoenix series and tell me the Suns weren't flat footed and slow on rotations in almost every 4th quarter...
    Playtime does matter. These people are human.
    Maybe doesn't matter for rip...that guys' a machine...but it does matter.

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    No you didn't, you took offense that I said Chauncy had a bad game and let me know that he doesn't have many bad games.



    Okay I guess I missed parker getting constantly abused by Rip Hamilton posting up on him yesterday, on christmas day, and in the 7 game series.

    Lets take a look at the film and see how effortlessly he posted up tony last night.
    I would assume it's because he didn't have to last night...

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    No you didn't, you took offense that I said Chauncy had a bad game and let me know that he doesn't have many bad games.



    Okay I guess I missed parker getting constantly abused by Rip Hamilton posting up on him yesterday, on christmas day, and in the 7 game series.

    Lets take a look at the film and see how effortlessly he posted up tony last night.
    chauncey did bad shooting at least he had 14 dimes while parker had 0. rip didn't post in the finals i don't know what lb was trying to do there. rip doesn't always post up but he takes smaller gaurds inside he doesn't shoot 20 footers all day even though he is money on that.

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    Look at the Spurs/Phoenix series and tell me the Suns weren't flat footed and slow on rotations in almost every 4th quarter...
    Playtime does matter. These people are human.
    Maybe doesn't matter for rip...that guys' a machine...but it does matter.

    And the Spurs top 4 play comparable minutes...

    Didn't TD play almost 40 minutes last night?

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    And the Spurs top 4 play comparable minutes...

    Didn't TD play almost 40 minutes last night?

    I can only speak for pistons-spurs games, and yalls starters are practically out there the whole time + the solid McDeyess minutes.

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    I can only speak for pistons-spurs games, and yalls starters are practically out there the whole time + the solid McDeyess minutes.

    Well then open your eyes...

    TD, TP and BB all played 39+ in the first meeting...

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    Well then open your eyes...

    TD, TP and BB all played 39+ in the first meeting...

    You do realize all yoru starters are averaging over 35 minutes a game right?

    That's all my comments were meant to address. Duh--I realize pop played our starters alot against yours.

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    You do realize all yoru starters are averaging over 35 minutes a game right?

    That's all my comments were meant to address. Duh--I realize pop played our starters alot against yours.
    Yeah and so are all of the Spurs starters who "contribute"...



    The Ps starters play more minutes because they have a better 5 and Manu's been hurt...

    You people are crazy to think that Pop wouldn't play a 5 of Ben's talent 33-37 minutes per, any coach worth his salt would...

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    Yeah and so are all of the Spurs starters who "contribute"...



    The Ps starters play more minutes because they have a better 5 and Manu's been hurt...

    You people are crazy to think that Pop wouldn't play a 5 of Ben's talent 33-37 minutes per, any coach worth his salt would...

    Um, no, Spurs starters are not averaging that many minutes...And naturally you want your starters to play the most minutes.
    Maybe I'm influenced by Pop's stupid actions, but yalls starters are still averaging alot of minutes. That's all I was saying. I am also pretty sure that come playoff time this statistic will not help the pistons.

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    Um, no, Spurs starters are not averaging that many minutes...And naturally you want your starters to play the most minutes.
    Maybe I'm influenced by Pop's stupid actions, but yalls starters are still averaging alot of minutes. That's all I was saying. I am also pretty sure that come playoff time this statistic will not help the pistons.

    TD, TP, and BB are averaging just as many minutes as their Pistons counterparts...

    Look it up...

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    TD, TP, and BB are averaging just as many minutes as their Pistons counterparts...

    Look it up...
    3/5 not = 5/5

    I realize manus' been hurt but he's never averaged more than 35 mins a game. It's called managing players minutes. That's why he ruined every team we played against in the playoffs (when it mattered)

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    Look at the Spurs/Phoenix series and tell me the Suns weren't flat footed and slow on rotations in almost every 4th quarter...
    Playtime does matter. These people are human.
    Maybe doesn't matter for rip...that guys' a machine...but it does matter.
    it matters, but phoenix was already a horrible defensive team, it matters but i don't think it will make a team lose a series. think of it this way are starting line up has all star calibre, and allstars play above average minutes.

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    Yeah because 4 has been hurt and Wallace is five times the player that Rashazr is...

    That's my point. If the Spurs had somewhat comparable 5 to Wallace, there is no doubt he would play him the same minutes. It isn't about rest, not showing your rotation(as heard earlier), etc. It's about talent...

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    Yeah because 4 has been hurt and Wallace is five times the player that Rashazr is...

    That's my point. If the Spurs had somewhat comparable 5 to Wallace, there is no doubt he would play him the same minutes. It isn't about rest, not showing your rotation(as heard earlier), etc. It's about talent...

    It is about rest. The NBA season is long as man..
    Re-Watch Phoenix tapes from last season. These people are only human...They can't perform like this forever.
    It's called fatigue.

    No doubt yall got talent, that is a given...I'm not arguing about that.

    If you see nothing wrong with it then cool--I sincerely hope Flip sees nothing wrong with it either. I pray he doesn't. Cuz ya'll are in for a rude awakening come playoff time if the starters keep this playing time up.

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    spur fans hating pop? been their detroiters have been angry at lb's offensive ways now that flip suanders has vastly improved it.
    i don't see why pistons fans would be upset with larry brown about his offensive schemes... he took you to the finals twice for chrissakes. you don't even know if a less controlled offense could have taken you to the finals in the first place.

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