I can't stand this guy. Yeah, he hits 3 sometimes, but he does not play Spurs basketball. Everytime he comes into a game, he ruins the Spurs offensive chemistry. You don't jack up a 3 when you are barely open and you're the first one down on offense with the rest of your team still making the transition from defense to offense, especially if 4 Pistons are already back on D.
NVE has a different style of play, always shooting forced shots, and he got lucky on a shot last night, but he just takes rediculous shots every game. Finley is ruining the team chemistry too, because he gets hungry for points. I don't know why, but Finley feels like he needs points...all of his shots are forced, fadeaway jumpers, and rarely go in.
Yeah, Manu took a bunch of ty shots last night, but generaly speaking, he doesn't force shots.
The Spurs normally are a solid team on offense that take good, open shots. Finley and NVE just don't fit in with the system, they would fit in more in a style of offense like Philly or a scrubby eastern conference team. They don't understand that there are better options than forcing shots because they feel like they need to score.
Don't get the wrong idea, I am not trying to bash NVE or Finley, but I just don't think they fit in with this team.
What are your thoughts?
This team would easily be in double digits in the loss column without Finley. NVE's presence on the court last night was huge every time we made a run. yeah he jacks up some shots but with Tony reminding us of his dissappearing act in the finals last year NVE did a great job of running the show.
They are still trying to get adjusted to the new offense and their new roles. If they are playing this ty during the playoffs, I'll be the first to ask for their heads on a stick, but for now we have to give them time to adjust.
I just wonder why Finley always take his shots when he has a dude right in his face, can't he drive to the basket or somethin?
Nick does shoot too much and too soon.
If he was 45% career shooter, instead of 40% career, you can' argue when someone hits their shots.
if the Spurs were a superb off. RB team, then go ahead and shoot, but the Spurs are scuking so bad on O RBs, it most often "one and done".
I'm quite surprised Pop hasn't told Nick to hold off on the transition 3Gs a bit, if not totally.
It also seems that Nick does a lot of free-lancing, rather than within offensive sets.
Michael is just shooting horribly for the season, 40% season vs 45% career.
His no shows have figured in some Spurs losses, eg, Bucks, both Pistons games, Suns game.
nve and fin are not the problem pop is.
Tim is also taking really bad shots...
Last night, one of his first attempts was his usual bank shot which never goes in anymore, and he missed. He tries the same shot again, missed. Later in the game, same shot....way off.
Why is Tim missing his signature shot so much, 2 years ago that shot was automatic.
Alvarez, drop your bias, Manu jacked up and forced more than a few shots last night, he's just Manu so luckily some of them dropped.
I agree, NVE's style is whack in relation to Pop's schemes. But tough . We got him for a reason and we know what NVE likes to do (he's been doing it his entire career) and we did not get him to become a defensive stopper and passive player.
I think the shortcoming is 90% Pop's.
It is up to Pop to adjust his gameplan and schemes to accomodate the strengths of NVE and Finley.
The remaining 10% is NVE's fault...imo he just needs to practice those damn Three's more, learn when and where he'll most likely get his 3's in the offense, and etc
When he took that straight up Three-Ball when we were 10 behind in the fourth, I was literally begging him to do it as he walked the ball up the court. Why?
Because it's what we in needed! We needed a ing jump shot, we needed a three ball to stretch the D, and he did the right thing--He was wide ing open.
He just needs to practice threes more, i guess. If we could do it again, Id want him to take that same ing shot.
If he had made it, then its a 7 point lead and the defense is guarding NVE closer to the perimeter.
I hate when people bash a guy for doing the thing he does.
Pop just needs to hit the books and consult his advisors and come up with some new schemes...if NVE and Finley continue to struggle in the Spurs offense its in Pop's fault, not theirs. They are trying.
NVE could jack up 10x more stupid shots if he wanted, and he at least is taking care of teh ball and trying to pass it when he can.
Finley is a prime example of Pop's ineptness. He's running and doing what Pop is telling him to.
Pop, this one's on you.
Pop is ing re ed. Last night, the Spurs are only down 8 points at the end, and we are ing playing TP, NVE, and Manu in the backcourt....now why the do we need 2 PG's to come back and make it a close game???
On the defensive end, you have a PG on chauncey, and then another PG on Rip...that doesn't work. Also, Prince will win the rebounding battle on Manu most of the time.
For the best defense, Pop should have had Tim and Rasho down low, and then Horry on Prince, Manu on Rip, and Bruce on Chauncey. That would have been nice. Or if not that, at least have Bruce in the ing game on prince and TP on chauncey, and manu on rip.
Did I not say that in my very first post???
A bunch normally refers to more than a few, even more than that. So I don't know where you pulled that from.
I didn't like the shots he was taking, I kept saying WTF are you doing...but at least he tryed in other aspects of the game. Manu was going all out last night.
Why doesn't Pop let the team that won the championship defend the championship?
Maybe because Pop thinks too highly of himself.
His subs were very questionable, but I liked the 2 point guard idea. Here's why.
1) Billups was not on fire
2) putting a fast player on Rip was a good idea--all he does is jump shot and if you put a taller player on him who can't get there in time to put a hand in his face, its point-less.
Rasho was ing made absolutely stupid last night by a small forward. I realize it was tayshaun prince, but god dammit Rasho is such a suckass.
Also, putting Bruce back in the game when we've scored 56 points in the fourth quarter would not ahve been a very good idea..
Can't Manu or Bruce chase him around?Why not? He leads the league in 3-point %, and made some shots in that game, is shooting better jumpers this year, really improved offensive game.Also, putting Bruce back in the game when we've scored 56 points in the fourth quarter would not ahve been a very good idea..
Bruce gives you 3's and defense.
get your facts straight you've barely seen any piston games. rip has started to post up smaller gaurds a lot and don't tell me i'm wrong because i've watched all 33 of their games this season. chauncey did bad shooting wise but he isn't going to do that every game.
I don't like Manu on rip, Bruce can chase him around but got scored on alot in the early-going I think.
The Pistons are damn good at playing the spurs now. They know exactly what we're giong to do and how to do it. Bowen's shots were covered pretty well. He's a good 3 point shooter but he's a predictable one.
Also, when parker is not getting others involved (BTW where the WAS THE PARKER-DUNCAN PICK N ROLL? in pop), and the 5 defensive guys have their eyes on one player, Bowen's opportunities are limited.
Pistons just owned us last night. Pop should have left bowen in more in the early going but putting him in when we're already playing pathetic offensively is a bad move i think.
spur fans hating pop? been their detroiters have been angry at lb's offensive ways now that flip suanders has vastly improved it.
Get your facts straight Rip can't post up for against the spurs and did not do it at all with efficiency last night nor has he ever in the past 2 seasons. We're not the same teams you play throughout the season.
And I never said Chaucny would shoot that bad every game so try to read next time.
if rip did great on bowen he would of done amazing against manu. i agree yuo all would of hated it if manu was gaurding rip, then again tayshaun took advantage.
Couldn't agree more. It's almost impossible for the Spurs to score on them, Tony and Manu do the best job at scoring vs. Detroit.
Duncan just gets outplayed by Sheed, Sheed really knows how to defend him, and he shoots and hits any shot in TD's face. Prince is just an all around factor every game, Chauncey normally toys with Parker, and Rip will always get his off-the-screen jumpers, no matter what.
He scored 3 baskets on Bowen the whole game. They were quick, and early, but I wouldn't say he did 'great' on bowen.
The game can best be summed up when Ben Wallace blocked the out of Duncan's hook shot.
That is a physical impossibility unless Tim Duncan seriously jumped like 1 inch off the ground. Duncan needs to sit on the bench. I don't give a if we tank an entire month, get his ass healthy. It hurts watching Ben Wallace do that, when we all know what a healthy Duncan can do to Ben Wallace:
ALSO, i gotta say, Pistons are jump-shot MASTERS now. Very hard to defend a team that has so many bad ass jump shooters on it.
Seems like McDeyess has become Billy Badass at jumpshots now. He did the same thing on x-mas.
And that's BESIDES the ownage in rebounding McDeyess alone had against us.
What a horrible horrible performance. Luckily, the spurs have plenty of time to recouperate and improve.
That Ben block on TD was stupid, any player in the league could block that shot...
WTF do you expect when you are turning to the right with your right hand (in this case, it's closer to the player) and barely jumping....that is the formula for an easy block. Why can't duncan just use his right hand, but take it to the left for a hook shot?
I'm just gonna pray that the Pistons lose to the Heat in the play-offs....
The pick and rolls weren't there because Detroit switched on a lot of them.
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