Reply With Quote
Shouldn't this be Rasho vs. the dancing Usher?
Here's the net differences between Rasho's being on the floor and off:
Allowed FG%: -0,1%
Total Rebounding: +0.1%
I thought there would be more of a difference were he that terrible.
Shouldn't this be Rasho vs. the dancing Usher?
Lets just trade both for PJ Brown.
Even if Rasho were better against 28 teams, only Nazr has the strength and athleticism to compete with Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, and Antonio McDyess.
Brains. NAZR is a little slow in making connections between his brain and his body. It shows up in everything he does.
Multiple pump fakes before going up for a shot.
slow reactions on defense to rotations
bad hands on passes.
failure to grasp the basics (forget the intricacies) of the offense and defense.
His slow brain/body coordination doesn't show up so much on offensive rebounds because he has his eyes on the ball continuously and sets his mind to it, eg. "I Go get ball."
Where's David? Can't Pop just convince David to come back for the playoffs???
In this debate, however, I'd probably have to vote for Nazr. I'm not thrilled with either center. Pop really isn't thrilled with either of them either. There's a reason why Duncan usually slides to the center spot and Horry plays the 4 in most crunch-time situations. . .both of our 5's are crappy.
The problem with Detroit is that their interior guys are too strong for Roho, and so the Horry-Duncan tandem isn't as good as it is against most teams.
If you have to choose between Rasho and Nazr against Detroit I'd have to probably go with Nazr. He brings a little more energy and spirit to the table. He also seems to garner at least an ounce of respect from the Detroit D when the Spurs are on offense. Rasho is more discliplined and a better position defender, but he's a step slow against the Pistons and he brings nothing consistent on the offensive end of the floor.
Personally I hope the Spurs can find someone else to come in and play the post, or I hope Pop finds some other successful combination of guys to throw at Detroit because I'm not sure we can beat the Pistons with either Nazr or Rasho.
What is wrong with Spurs playing Pistons? OffRB!!!!!! Nothing else.
What has that got to do with Rasho vs. Nazr? Almost nothing. Individually they both can catch ball. Problem is mostly what to do to get more second chances. They got to get tough when getting to the basket. Spurs are playing now as a machine, getting a lot of assists and three's by their gamebook. Offensive scheme is so flawless against bad teams.
Nazr was horrible playing D and simple playing O. Simplicity sells, so he is better than Rasho. I have to agree with that. Now, why would that mean that Nazr is better against Detroit? He sucked against them, especially playing with Tim, who was the main reason for both losses. Rasho is playing a stabile game, I guess that is mostly what he is asked to do. Nazr is uncontrolled chaos. We need chaos? I do not think so, Manu alone is enough.
My guess is that if the Spurs are getting outrebounded by 24 boards per game it has quite a bit to do with whoever is playing center.What is wrong with Spurs playing Pistons? OffRB!!!!!! Nothing else.
What has that got to do with Rasho vs. Nazr? Almost nothing. Individually they both can catch ball. Problem is mostly what to do to get more second chances. They got to get tough when getting to the basket. Spurs are playing now as a machine, getting a lot of assists and three's by their gamebook. Offensive scheme is so flawless against bad teams.
Nazr was horrible playing D and simple playing O. Simplicity sells, so he is better than Rasho. I have to agree with that. Now, why would that mean that Nazr is better against Detroit? He sucked against them, especially playing with Tim, who was the main reason for both losses. Rasho is playing a stabile game, I guess that is mostly what he is asked to do. Nazr is uncontrolled chaos. We need chaos? I do not think so, Manu alone is enough.
I'm hoping you weren't saying Tim was the main reason for both of our losses to the Pistons? Timmy is alone on an island trying to be the only Spur who can do anything in the post against Detroit so far this year. He needs a little help, and he's not getting any for Nazr or Rasho.
Last edited by Ed Helicopter Jones; 01-16-2006 at 12:55 PM.
It may be that I was trying to oversimplified the whole situation. The game is won or lost by mentality. Duncan was baffled like Parker was. None of them had any game, while they were ran over like sheep. That is simply the truth. Detroid is like cars they manufacture: Ready to go.
Spurs are in rebuilding mode, where they still do not know what to do with Oberto, Nazr, Finley, Manu and how would be TP's new game be best transferred to Play-offs. Timmy hardly stood his ground with his decisions. Is he responsible for the loss? YES. That kind of games are otherwise called lessons.
Last edited by zeleni; 01-16-2006 at 01:10 PM.
I can't believe people are seriously comparing Rasho and Nazr's regular season stats from this season to make a point.
Anyone can put up better stats in half the time if half their minutes are garbage time vs. the other team's scrubs.
Rebounding is a team effort.
It was basically 3-on-1 for Tim in the paint, Zelini. He needed a little help. Tim's lesson was that he's got complimentary post players that suck.
It's a tie, they both suck
True, but you have to have the anchors in the middle. Plus, who else on the Spurs roster other than Tim is a rebounder?
Best post of this thread. We can overcome their deficiencies against most of the other teams in the league but Detroit has exposed our team's weakspot.
When it gets down to it, all Detroit has accomplished is beating a Tim Duncan-led team when he wasn't at his MVP-level self.
We'll see how he steps it up when it really counts.
Give me a break. It was 3 against 2, and those 3 even knew what are they doing on the floor. Timmy didn't had a clue and Rasho would let him think. I again state, that Rasho off the court meant a landslide for Pistons. Timmy had no tactics inside and Parker was shut down... Rasho and Tim together held their ground.
When you talk about Spurs without Rasho or without Timmy... That was just horrible. It has to be said: of the starting 5, only Rasho played his usual role as he should.
PS: Rasho IS guilty for OffRBs. As everybody else on that court. They should have learned something at least from Christmas.
Zeleni I'm going to give you some slack seeing as basketball is something you probably started paying attention to only after Tony Parker entered the league. Rasho was horrible against Detroit. Nazr was horrible. Maybe Rasho was less horrible on the defensive end than Nazr, but that was by a matter of degrees.
Duncan went for 17 pts and 13 boards in game 2 against the Pistons and 18 pts and 11 rebounds in game one. Had he hit his free throws he would have been better than his season's averages.
You're defending a guy (Rasho) who had 4 pts and 3 rebounds in 24 minutes in the second game and 1 pt and 2 rebounds in game 1.
If Tim had a 5 playing next to him who could keep a defense from keying on him in the paint then things would be a lot easier for him. Blaming him for those losses is ridiculous. He played as well as he could seeing as he was the only player in a Spurs uniform who was capable of grabbing a rebound or doing anything in the paint.
Which brings me back to Rasho: Five points and five rebounds total for Rasho in 40 minutes over 2 games??? Yeah he was playing his usual role: crappy. By the way, those stats are half of Rasho's already miserable averages.
Alas, maybe I'm remembering the days when an aging David Robinson with a bad back and sore knees was still good for 12 pts and 8 boards, even against the best of teams. Robinson at 60% was still enough to free up Duncan. Now TD is basically by himself. Not to diss the amazing 2.5 points and 2.5 rebounds of help Rasho provides.
I think we can match the Pistons intensity and skill at 4 of the 5 positions on the floor. . .we just can't at the 5 spot. Why is that so hard for you to realize and accept?
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
