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Nazr is a better fantasy basketball player, that's sure.
In another thread, I compared Rasho's and Nazr's stats against Det.
Now, I wanna take it a little bit deeper than just that. So, lets dig deeper, shall we?
Lets look at both players stats so far this year.
Rasho's 2005-2006 stats:
22.0MPG, 5.6PPG, .533FG%, .652FT%, 4.3RPG, 1.22BPG
Now, Nazr's 2005-2006 stats:
12.4MPG, 4.5PPG, .532FG%, .786FT%, 3.6RPG, .47BPG
The numbers dont lie!! Both players stats are very very similar. Nazr is producing almost as much (4.5PPG to 5.6PPG, 3.6RPG to 4.3RPG, etc etc) as Rasho, in almost half the time (12.4MPG to 22MPG)!
Lets take it even another step further. Playoff stats!!
Rasho's career playoff stats:
18.7MPG, 4.2PPG, .454FG%, .414FT%, 3.6RPG, .67BPG
And now, Nazr's career playoff stats:
20.9MPG, 6.8PPG, .523FG%, .651FT%, 6RPG, .87BPG
^^^Again, the numbers dont lie.
So, since DRob has retired, SA has had two starting Centers. When Rasho was SA's starting postseason Center, SA lost in the playoffs. When Nazr was SA's starting postseason Center, SA won the Championship.
Nazr was HUGE last year when both Tim Duncan and Rasho were hurt. Had SA not gotten Nazr from New York, they may not have won the le.
I am not saying Nazr is a superstar. I am just saying that he deserves a chance to show that he can preform the way he did last year. He has yet to get that oppurtunity this year. Meanwhile, Rasho is getting all the starting minutes at the five, despite getting outmuscled and outhustled in the paint.
Odds are, SA will face the Pistons in the Finals this year. In the past two seasons, Nazr has fared much better against Det than Rasho. Who do you want starting against the best team in the League?
Looking at all this, I ask, why the is Nazr sitting while Rasho is still playing starter minutes?
Nazr is a better fantasy basketball player, that's sure.
And Rasho is the better starter???? Prove itCuz I think the numbers, the playoff wins, and the '05 bling bling prove otherwise.
Nazr also has 2.3 fouls in that time, while rasho has 2.9 with his minutes. Not a good thing, if you don`t know how to defend other than making fouls...
Rasho was also huge two seasons ago when Duncan got hurt...
When Nazr was the starting center in the playoffs, Manu had MVP kind of playoffs, that wasn`t so when Rasho was starting...
Rasho isn't better, both are average centers. (the weakest spot in nba)
Nazr isn't way better than Rasho (if he is better) and it makes way more sense for Spurs to play Rasho over Nazr this year (contract wise).
I find too that Nazr should play more but I trust more Pop than us to decide who deserve playtime.
Our best big men lineup is PF : Horry , C : Duncan.
Fouls werent too much of a problem for Nazr last year in the playoffs. I think he only fouled out a couple times. I am not worried about the fouls at all.
I'm so tired of the le being attributed to Nazr. We won the le inspite of our ty centers, not because of them. Enough with that bull .
Also, when we go back through the film and count missed rotations and blown offensive plays attributable to each of the centers as a statistical catagory, then we can do a worthwhile comparison.
Nazrs playing like , Rasho's playing a bit better. Thats what it boils down to.
Its hard to get in foul trouble when you're never in the right defensive spot to begin with.
Is that why Rasho has less fouls??
Its hard to get in foul trouble when you're never in the right defensive spot to begin with.
The thing is, I don't understand how someone with so much more athletic ability than Rasho can be so much worse on the defensive end. Can someone explain it to me?
I never attributed the le to him. I am just saying that had they not gotten Nazr, and Rasho and Tim goes down, they may not get HCA in the Finals. Meaning, the outcome could have been alot different.
Really??Nazrs playing like , Rasho's playing a bit better. Thats what it boils down to.
Now, I havent seen all the games this year. But in the games I have seen, against good offensive teams, Rasho has not been that much better than Nazr. Especially against quick teams. Rasho just gets burned.
So you saw only 3 Spurs games this season?
j/k. I am too sleepy today to fight with you about the same thing all over again.
Thats cool. I understand that. After you get some rest, bring some proof if you wanna.
What a necessary thread.
you are still implying that we won the le b/c of nazr. whatever you say, and whenever you post playoff stats, that is the implication. nazr probably never would have started if rasho hadn't got hurt. to this your automated reply is, well we wouldn't have won the le. that is just a wild assumption. if you wanna bring stats, bring some useful ones. neither rasho or nazr fills it up anyway, what is the team +/- when each is on the court? that would actually be digging deeper...
I never said we wouldnt have won the le. I just said that had we never made the trade, when both Rasho and Tim were out (remember that) , we may not have gotten HCA against Det in the finals without Nazr great play in Rasho and Tims absence. Therefore, it MAY have been different. I NEVER said that we WOULD NOT have won the le if we didnt have Nazr.
Ok, is that what you are talking about??
Mohammed
On Court +/-
+10.6
Off Court +/-
+5.3
Team Net +/-
+5.3
Nesterovic
On Court +/-
+6.0
Off Court +/-
+7.2
Team Net +/-
-1.1
I have NO idea what this +/- stuff means. I just copied and pasted. So can someone explain what it means?
For comparison (cause like Rasho he's also more D than O)
Bowen
+5.2
+10.2
-5.0
Still have no idea what it means. Can someone explain?
I would probably pay more attention to the allowed FG% and total rebounding % numbers from 82games.com to shed some more light on the situation.
It's not like Nazr has to do that much better to displace Rasho, but he has to do better. It's up to him -- if he wants all the welfare minutes you guys want to give him, he needs to show it would be worth giving them to him in practice and his given PT.
FG% allowed:
Nazr
On Court
42.1%
Off Court
45.7%
Rasho
On Court
44.7%
Off Court
44.9%
Yep, and the rebounding?
If I HAD to choose.... it's Rasho. Because he can change if he really wanted to.
But fantasy wise... Nazr for sure. Nazr won't change because he's been like this since his days at Kentucky beating the out of my Razorbacks.
Well, not beating the , we owned them plenty in the 90s.
Rebounding percentage:
Nazr
On Court
49.6%
Off Court
49.6%
Rasho
On Court
49.7%
Off Court
49.5%
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