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Maybe not, but you should at least consider the ramifications of his learned opinion, instead of dismissing him in the manner that you did.
He better come correct with a political dossier on whomever he finds to say that there isn't any unnecessary pain in the execution process.
What's curious about this to me is that at least 4 Supreme Court justices (and not just Souter, Ginsburg, Stevens, and Breyer, since Kennedy issued the initial stay) thinks that there may be enough here to consider the argument. Given the number of executions that aren't stopped (most of which involve last minute pleas to the Supreme Court for stays on all sorts of unique grounds), this one was. There must be something compelling in the argument and in the science that makes someone think there's some merit to the position.
Maybe not, but you should at least consider the ramifications of his learned opinion, instead of dismissing him in the manner that you did.
It's not partisan thinking. I've been involved in both the medical field (as an EMT) and law enforcement for over 25 years.
My medical training convinces me the process is painless. My law enforcement background tells me it's justice and security.
And, yeah, since he's only one -- I'm not buying it. I would bet his opinion is based on the theory that a prisoner may be underdosed.
Would you find any relevance in the politics of someone who reached an opposite conclusion?
It had better be more than just the opinions of experts in the field, because if that's not enough to convince Yoni, how can it possibly convince the SCOTUS.
Who said he was the only one? He was the only one in my post. I don't think my post represents the totality of information that is out there on the subject.
so because you're a security guard, we should give your medical opinion more weight than an expert?
I just want to ask the question: Am I the only one that has gone into surgery?
Does anyone that has remember when they lay your head on the little doughnut,
and pull your head back and start the injection to knock you out. Does anyone of
you remember the breathing tube they place down your throat? Wonder why they
do that. To breath for you while you are paralyzed. Oh, give me a break. You
are worried about those that have killed, maimed and done other horrible things to
people.
The last thing I remembered was him placing a needle in my IV and when I woke up
in recovery or ICU. Well in ICU they were yelling at me to breathe.
I remember years ago reading from another expert Doctor, death will be most
painless thing you will face in life. I can believe that.
, the professor holds more weight than the chinese handcuffs.
It's not for us to decide who dies.
Was your doctor also a security gaurd? oh no, it couldn't be....
We could write a detective show about Yoni. Her day job is carting off dying patients to hospitals, but her night job places her in the concrete jungles of Target parking lots. Meet the "Ambulance-Rent a Cop," fridays on the UPN.
Well you are always asking about facts. Does going thru the procedure,
to a point, count. They just didn't stop the heart. How many facts
do you want. And yes, it is for us to decide who dies, when it comes to
certain things. Swift justice serves it purpose. Justice, when it comes to
the "slow wheels of justice" has not worked. But I will guarantee one thing
those that have killed and been killed will not kill again. Now that is a fact.
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So you would have us believe that your EMT training qualifies you to refute the opinion of a doctor who teaches anesthesiology at Columbia?
You think I am grumpy now, you ought to see me when I don't get
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my way....
Hey, new thought. Why don't you get the homeless to go to the
day workers site here in SA and get a job? No address or anything
needed. Just be there when someone drives up and wants some
help doing a job. Just thought I would ask.
Well, that's for debate on whether people believe in what Bible says about Not killing people. People have different beliefs. Mine is, we can't kill or decide who dies, their punishment comes from God, not us.
Anti abortion, but yet, pro death penalty. Makes alot of sense. Doesn't sound like pro life to me.
Again, it's up to God only. Not people seeking thrill and revenge from someone being murdered.
I know that some do that. We used to hire them back when I did construction. Man, they used to stink to high and you'd have to watch your tools or they'd take off with them.Hey, new thought. Why don't you get the homeless to go to the day workers site here in SA and get a job? No address or anything
needed. Just be there when someone drives up and wants some
help doing a job. Just thought I would ask.
Hey Xray, why don't you go with me downtown tomorrow at 5AM and we'll see how many homeless people are in line for those jobs. Again, you try to preach to me something I have first hand experience in.You think I am grumpy now, you ought to see me when I don't get
my way....
Hey, new thought. Why don't you get the homeless to go to the
day workers site here in SA and get a job? No address or anything
needed. Just be there when someone drives up and wants some
help doing a job. Just thought I would ask.
I'll take one step back here (hopefully to help re-focus the discussion):
In looking at a description of the Questions Presented to the Supreme Court, it appears that the issues raised by the pe ion have little to do with the actual methodology used in Florida and much more to do with the procedural and substantive due process rights of a person to challenge the use of those methods.
Here are the two questions the Court agreed to hear:
The issues, then, don't have much to do directly with the Eighth Amendment propriety of the Florida methodology. The case boils down (it would seem) to whether the condemned has a pre-death right to pursue a private action for a violation of his Eighth Amendment rights and whether (as the Eleventh Circuit held in this case) that challenge is different from a habeas proceeding concerning the propriety of the execution in the first instance. The Court won't (it would seem) decide the Eighth Amendment question, though.1. Whether a complaint brought under 42 USC Sec. 1983 by a death-sentenced state prisoner, who seeks to stay his execution in order to pursue a challenge to the chemicals utilized for carrying out the execution, is properly recharacterized as a habeas corpus pe ion under 28 USC Sec. 2254
2. Whether, under the Supreme Court's decision in Nelson [v. Alabama (unanimously holding that an inmate challenging an Alabama procedure for preparing an inimate for death by lethal injection could pursue an Eighth Amendment claim under Section 1983)], a challenge to a particular protocol the State plans to use during the execution process cons utes a cognizable claim under 42 USC Sec. 1983?
The medical science would be in the briefs so that the Court can determine if there is some possibility that the condemned might be able to show an issue for trial in a section 1983 action based on an Eighth Amendment claim.
So, to answer Peabody's original question, the posture of the case would seem to negate the need for a moratorium right now -- if the Pe ioner is able to convince the Court that his 1983 claims should proceed, then a decision on that issue (or a grant of certiorari to review a decision on that issue) might result in a moratorium.
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You know something, I just may do that. Just to make you get up atHey Xray, why don't you go with me downtown tomorrow at 5AM and we'll see how many homeless people are in line for those jobs. Again, you try to preach to me something I have first hand experience in.
5AM. How come you don't advertise that the homeless try to find jobs
at the day work places? I'm serious.
Besides I'm sure you wouldn't want me along. I am grumpy you know, and
you would not want to associate with an old conservative.
Well, I was taught in the bible that God said: We can make our days
longer or shorter. But I am not going to get into a biblical thing.
I'm always up at 5 anyway. The day labor jobs are good for them to make some quick money and get on their feet, but it's no long term goal for many. We need to help them get training to get better jobs and careers.
If you could grow up and actually cared to help, I wouldn't mind associating myself with you in helping those in need. That's a good thing.
I'm glad to see that this thread hasn't devolved into personal bickering and has stayed right on focus.
Sorry, back on topic. Xray is pro death.
oh, put a sock in it. ;-)
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