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Funny business. SCOTUS won't say that puttting someone to death is C & A, but a little needle discomfort might be.
I would think that there is going to have to be a moratorium on lethal injections until the Supreme Court determines if it is cruel and unusual punishment.
Jan 25, 1:34 PM EST
Supreme Court to Hear Death Row Appeal
By GINA HOLLAND
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court agreed Wednesday to hear a Florida death row inmate's appeal that challenges that state's lethal injection method, just hours after the court dramatically stepped in to stop the man's execution.
Clarence Hill's lawyer said that he had been strapped to a gurney with IV lines running into his arms Tuesday night when Justice Anthony M. Kennedy issued a temporary stay.
The full court made the stay permanent, and ordered both sides to file more arguments.
Hill argues that the three chemicals used in Florida's lethal injection method of execution cause pain, making his execution cruel and unusual punishment. His lawyer also contends that Hill is mentally re ed.
He is on death row for the Oct. 19, 1982, slaying of Pensacola police Officer Stephen Taylor, 26, and the wounding of his partner, Larry Bailly, when they responded to a silent alarm of a bank robbery.
Hill's case allows the court to revisit a 2004 ruling in an Alabama death case, in which justices said that David Larry Nelson could pursue a last-ditch claim that his death by lethal injection would be uncons utionally cruel because of his damaged veins.
While Hill does not have damaged veins, his appeal cites medical studies about the drug tail used by Florida and other states.
An appeals court had said he brought the challenge too late.
His lawyer, D. Todd Doss, told justices that there is a risk that he will not be properly anesthetized at the time of his death.
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Funny business. SCOTUS won't say that puttting someone to death is C & A, but a little needle discomfort might be.
Then if you want a painless death, put a bag over his head and shoot him in the back of the head.
I would ask the question: What do we do with mad dogs? My contention
is if a person has a mental problem and has killed, all the more reason to
put them to death. They will do it again. The don't realize what they have
done; therefore, they will do it again and should be taken out of society.
Also, how do we know it is painful to be put to death in any manner. There
is no one alive to tell us.
If somebody screams "This is painful" as they're dying, it would be a pretty good indication.
Pulled this off of the web
Chemical Problems
In most states three chemicals are used for lethal injection: Sodium thiopental, pancuronium bromide, and potassium chloride. The first of these is considered an ultra-short-acting bromide which is effective as an anesthesia for just a few minutes. The second, pancuronium bromide, marketed as Pavulon, paralyzes the skeletal muscles without affecting the nerves or brain. The individual injected with Pavulon is conscious without being able to move or speak, thus giving the impression of serenity or tranquility. In the state of Tennessee, it is a crime for veterinarians to use this drug in euthanizing pets. The final injection, potassium chloride, stops the heart while causing excruciating pain. The effect of this “ tail,” according to testimony by Dr. Mark J.S. Heath who teaches anesthesiology at Columbia, is “that the sodium thiopental can be inadequate or wear off”…leaving “the prisoner conscious, paralyzed, suffocating and subject to extreme pain from the potassium chloride” (Liptak, NYT, 10/7/2003).
According to Judge Ellen Hobbs Lyle, “The subject gives all the appearances of a serene expiration when actually the subject is feeling and perceiving the excruciatingly painful ordeal of death by lethal injection…the Pavulon gives a false impression of serenity to viewers, making punishment by death more palatable and acceptable to society” (Liptak, NYT, 10/7/2003).
Your second post makes it sound as thought it would be impossible for the condemned to scream anything, even though consciously feeling excruciating pain.
Care to be a guinea pig?
Really? There are some pretty good actors in prison that may think screaming "this is painful" is a good last way to stick it to the system. And, I don't think the needle stick -- no matter how long it takes to find the vein, Tookie -- will ever be considered cruel or unusual.
The " tail" of chemicals used to kill them is very precise in how it works. Sleep, paralysis, heart stopper...in that order. If you've ever had surgery and gone under general anasthesia you know what it is like to be executed by lethal injection.
It would seem to be impossible to scream as the prisoners are paralyzed.
My first post was a waggish response to Xay asking how we would know if it is painful to be put to death in any manner.
Well SA210, this may surprise you, but. Some years back I had
a surgery for what is none of your business: during the surgery
stopped breathing and they had a problem getting me back into
the real world. Know what, I didn't realize I had the problem. No
pain, no nothing. And for your information, anyone having surgery
is given a drug to paralyze them. They seem to have a problem with
someone moving when they are cutting away on your torso.
So yes, guess I have been a guinea pig to a degree. A bi-product
of surgery is that ICU will kill you before the surgery. Three days
there almost did what they couldn't do in surgery.
The unanswered question. I really don't care how much pain they
feel dying. Like they didn't when they inflicted pain to those they
killed. I am all for punishment. Pure and simple.
Really? Because the statement from the doctor who teaches anesthesiology at Columbia seems to indicate that the process can be painful, but what does he know? He only teaches anesthesiology at a medical school.
The effect of this “ tail,” according to testimony by Dr. Mark J.S. Heath who teaches anesthesiology at Columbia, is “that the sodium thiopental can be inadequate or wear off”…leaving “the prisoner conscious, paralyzed, suffocating and subject to extreme pain from the potassium chloride” (Liptak, NYT, 10/7/2003).
It's not up to us to end their life. Your talking about revenge.
but didn't you know? Yonivore is an expert in con law, medicine, science, the arts, and kung fu fighting.
Be careful Mr. Peabody, that professor will now be labeled as far left wing, and now you'd be against America all over again.
Yeah, I am. Does that surprise you. You do it all the time with your
rants about Bush. Nothing would please you more than see him behind
prison bars. Although he has done nothing to you or anyone else except
the enemies of this country.
You judge all the time, so spare me the crocodile tears.
One anesthesiologist out of how many? What's his stance on the death penalty?
Fact is, the sodium thiopental is given in dosages that will prevent this. It isn't like a teenager trying to overdose on momma's valium, the dosages are sufficient to knock out the largest condemned prisoner.
And now he's off to do his research to find a source, any source, that will contradict what I have said.
I guess Facts=Rants now. I don't wish him death, but he does belong behind bars. I make observations off of peoples actions and what they say, so No, I'm not surprised that you would wish death to people with a passion. Your Xray.
We should believe you over the opinion of this doctor who teaches at Columbia?
We should believe him over the all the others who are either silent on the issue or say it is painless?
It bothers me Yoni, that you won't ever consider this doctor's opinion to possibly have some merit.
Please see my earlier thread on the irrationality of partisan thinking.
I think his politics may be relevant -- particularly since there isn't a cacophony of anesthesiologists saying the same thing.
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