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That is the point. Kobe without a dominant low post threat like Shaq in the NBA couldn't even make the postseason.
Weak.
Fiba rules never stopped a "Dream Team" from winning the Gold before. But somehow it was all a Manu-led team needed to beat the best talent assembled that year? Riiiiight.
That is the point. Kobe without a dominant low post threat like Shaq in the NBA couldn't even make the postseason.
Did the US field a true "Dream Team" in 2004? How many shooters did that team have?
Somehow you totally missed my point. Either that or you just chose to ignore it. Point being, Team USA had the best talent assembled, and were familiar with the Fiba rules long before the 2004 Olympics rolled around.
I suggest you watch more Spurs games. Because I watch them all (well, 90% of them), and Manu has proven time and again that he can get it done with, or without Duncan on the floor with him.
Team USA 2004 was the weakest "Dream Team" ever assembled. Again, the rules do matter. Under FIBA, Oberto can defend a Tim Duncan because the entire Argentinian defense can collapse on TD in the paint. In the NBA, players still have to play individual defense so an Oberto would be lucky to last a half against TD.
Team USA lost in no small part due to the fact that its perimeter shooting was absolutely morbid. Put a Ray Allen and a Kobe Bryant on it and the USA brings home another gold.
Same different thread. Manu has been successfull in every league and compe ion he's been. I'm sure Manu is better with Duncan by his side, but Duncan isn't the only reason Manu has succeeded. Now quit ing, its getting old!
Well, it's getting old to read how Ginobili was the reason the Spurs have won championships and how Duncan was not the primary reason. It's getting old reading how the Spurs should take Duncan out of their offense in favor of Ginobili.
or maybe you're an idiot and can't comprehend what people are saying. duncan doesn't have to the the "primary" reason anymore. he's a very important player on the team, and all world, no one is saying he isn't. you're taking offense to something that is simply not there. instead of saying, wow gnob took over the last few minutes of the game last night, we won because of him, you are pouting and saying, well he only did it because duncan plays for the spurs. it's stupid and makes no sense.
WHO THE HAS SAID THAT??? You're the only one intent on putting Manu's accomplishments down. Someone says "Manu is great", and you jump up and say "well he wouldn't be great without TD". The only one being an ass here is you!
A- ING-MEN!
Perhaps you have no point and have to resort to namecalling to make it seem as you do?
Duncan remains the reason the Spurs are successful. Take him away, Ginobili and Parker don't get the opportunities to produce and the Spurs struggle to reach the postseason. Duncan has not become some kind of afterthought. He remains the Spurs.
maybe it's the voices in your head saying that , 'cause I haven't read anything close to someone saying Manu is the main reason Spurs won championships.
and if someone has said that they're probably 10 years old and you're having an argument w/10 year olds
See what you just quoted and enthusiastically endorsed.
Then you need to read this forum a little bit more.
Yes, most of the responses to my observations do seem to come from a 10 year old mind.and if someone has said that they're probably 10 years old and you're having an argument w/10 year olds
Here we go. In this thread the following was the claim, as if Manu could carry a team to the NBA Finals on his own.
stop talking to yourself then
Now we get it. If USA wins they have the better team. If another country wins, then FIBA rules and the US team suck. Thanks for clearing that up, we were confused here.
Manu is an intangible player that is necessary for us to win in the big games. Granted, Tim makes everyone around him better, but the argument could be made that while Manu would not win without Tim, Tim would likewise not win without Manu. That's why 4 of their 10 losses have come while Manu was injured, and we've reeled of 9 in a row after Manu came back 7 games ago.
What is your point, MB? That Kobe is a great player because of Shaq? Huh? That must be won of the stupidest statements ever uttered by one of your screen names.
What you are saying is pretty obvious. You need a a dominant big man to get to the finals (Shaq, TD, Hakeem, etc) or a well assembled team of excellent players (Detroit, Bulls of the 90s - wo had MJ).
But that is beside the argument. Both Kobe and Manu are great players in their own right. The fact they played with dominant big men simply made them better.
But if the way you phrase your posts, it seems like you believe the sole reason Manu and TP play great is TD, and Sparky, is BS.
Manu and TP would not be nearly as good if defenses didn't have to worry about Timmy down low. Show me a team that has won the le since '98 that has not had an effective big man down low taking pressure off of the guards.
Again, Kobe gets to shine in the NBA Finals because of Shaq, both in terms of getting there as well as the attention that Shaq commanded of an opponent's defense.
Right, it is obvious, but some don't seem able to grasp it.What you are saying is pretty obvious. You need a a dominant big man to get to the finals (Shaq, TD, Hakeem, etc) or a well assembled team of excellent players (Detroit, Bulls of the 90s - wo had MJ).
They have the opportunity to "play great" because they have a TD on the low block drawing plenty of attention from opponents' defenses.
But that is beside the argument. Both Kobe and Manu are great players in their own right. The fact they played with dominant big men simply made them better.
But if the way you phrase your posts, it seems like you believe the sole reason Manu and TP play great is TD, and Sparky, is BS.
Funny. That's exactly what I was thinking about you after you called me a "chump" earlier in this thread. Take a good look in the mirror. Because you're the first one who resorted to name calling.
Your homerism towards Duncan is almost laughable. Even for another Spurs fan. And what you preach may have been true 2 or 3 years ago. But Manu and Parker have both become the kinds of players who can create for themselves regardless of who they're playing with.
Do the Spurs do as well in the NBA if it adopted FIBA rules? Nope. Hence, the value of Duncan.
Why is everyone getting so ass-hurt?
Funny, that was after your argument consisted of "you got owned". Brilliant.
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