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Funny how the best defenders are always "dirty"
That´s a good point. Denis Rodman did that with the chicago bulls and they got positive results, so now what´s the matter spurs does the same
Funny how the best defenders are always "dirty"
Alrighty. Good thing we don't care what you think (what you think is not necessarily a fact).
They look like superstars to me. This represents TWO years...and there was a pretty dang good year in between, too.
How many of these celebrations has "Superstar Dork" had? Oh, yeah...none.
sickdsm,
Who did the NBA players vote as the current superstar most likely to never win a championship?
Maybe they just mean he needs to shower
Quit being so whiny sickDsm.
The league is full of prima donnas, and the last thing prima donnas like is someone playing defense. Hence, Bowen and Artest in the top 5.
Remember this the next time you whine about Bowen - we own you.
Where was Ben Wallace on that list again?
That's what i thought.
Maytag.
sickdsm,
Who did the NBA players vote as the current superstar most likely to never win a championship?
Your point? KG doesn't have the luxury of putting 10 and 12 pt games back to back and winning them both.
All that says that the NBA players are VERY well aware that KG's teamates suck, more than the fans here seem to be able to grasp.
I'm not responding directly to you, but to the rampant cries from Mavericks fans that Ginobili and Parker are somehow "overrated." If they played in Dallas, I suspect you'd have a very different opinion of each of them.
I don't know that anyone can objectively call either one a superstar, but they're clearly among the difference makers at their positions and they've each improved tremendously while in the league. Words like superstar and great are thrown around far too often for my taste. But each is clearly a star -- players aren't named to the All-Star team by the coaches on some lark; surely you can't doubt that it's an earned accomplishment and players who reach that level are deemed by those inside the game to be among the best at their positions. The fastidious obsession among Mavericks fans with downplaying the accomplishments of Parker and Ginobili is rather odd.
In real terms, Manu may be closer to being a superstar -- or may be considered a superstar by some analysts -- because he's been the dominant player on a team that has excelled in international play while also becoming an NBA All-Star and a 2 time champion in 3 NBA seasons. Say what you will, but that is an impressive resume. I doubt that many players would consider him overrated, because while his numbers don't dazzle, his ability to change games is as pronounced as anyone's. Kobe has hinted at that and certainly coaches like George Karl, Mike D'Antoni, and Larry Brown are keenly aware of Manu's abilities. You don't see any of those guys saying that he's overrated.
Parker is 23. He's an all-star at 23. After the last few playoff runs, he's been reamed in the media and by fans for being the weakest of the Spurs Big 3. He's responded by elevating his game and made himself into a force that can win games with or without Tim Duncan. For the time being, he's the most consistently excellent player on the team with the third best record in basketball. I don't know that anyone is arguing for his entry into the Hall of Fame quite yet, but his recognition as an all-star is anything but a fluke. Give credit where credit is due -- NBA players apparently do.
Great Post
A wise person once stated:
"Every time the calender turns March, KG's nuts retreat."
That wasn't a foul, just a high screen
Excellent observation
If you can get away with it, do it, if it helps your team win. Michael Jordan was dirty. Larry Bird was dirty.
Bill Laimbeer was beloved by Detroit fans for his dirty tactics.
I think Bruce Bowen is great. Dirty, yes. But, still great. That's part of his mental make-up and what makes him so mentally tough.
I think Danny Ainge was the dirtiest player ever, probably because he was sooo subtle with it. Did you know he was a baseball player, too? He wasn't drafted until the second round (1981)because everybody was afraid he'd never leave baseball to play in the NBA.
I didn't mind his tactics against us because there wasn't anything overly flagrant about them, that and the fact that he doesn't talk smack or act y which would probably get a closer look from the refs.
He's got my respect and I'd be happy to have him on our team.
Does anyone have the pic of Bruce jumpkicking in a Miami uni? That's another portrait of greatness. He looked just like Liu Kang, with this perfectly horizontal kick to the guy's face.
One of the Spurs fans has it in motion in his sig. I don't recall that moment, did Bruce offer an explanation? Even though it looked intentional I can't imagine that it was.
How is this a bad thing from a Spurs fan perspective? Am I the only one who sees the irony in a Spur being referred to as "dirty"? Oh, for the days of "soft", "Charmin", etc...
Good Times.™ IMO
What ??? Karl Malone - probably the best power forward in the history of the league - and how can you say he is dirtier than Rodman ?
Yup - the refs should whistle more on him from time to time and then tel him to go under the shower
Danny Ainge ? are you serious ? Ever? Danny Ainge is dirtier than Rodman ? Kobe ( dont forget that blatant elbow to the face of mike miller) ? Charles Oakley ? Anthony Mason ? Any of the bad boys ? and lets not forget back in the early days when teams had the typical bruiser they would send out to get 5 fouls and hurt someone ....I think Danny Ainge was the dirtiest player ever, probably because he was sooo subtle with it. Did you know he was a baseball player, too? He wasn't drafted until the second round (1981)because everybody was afraid he'd never leave baseball to play in the NBA.
What the Spurs could use would be a bigman with Bowen's mentality. Right now they have single ply lotion coated Charmin starting at center.
Malone is definitely the dirtiest STAR ever (there may have been worse, but not among major players). Denying that elbow-swingin' sh!t-for-head a ring was one of the sweetest elements of the '04 le.
Bowen's "dirty" play, to me, just looks like using every millimeter of slack he can get from the refs to maximize his effectiveness on D, and it's REAL hard to argue with the results. Yeah, he'll get a little rough if the refs aren't looking, but when they draw the line, he just works with it.
As for the "dirtiest" Piston...I gotta say Rip won't hesitate to grab and hold on D if he can get away with it. Doesn't seem to have Bowen's sense for when the refs are looking and when they're not, though.
jealousy.
The Mavericks fans wish they had 1 defender that was a quarter of the way as good as Bowen.
And dont give me Adrian Griffen or Diop.
They blow chunks.
Rick Fox and Derek Fisher didnt have too bad of years when winning championships. And they were a part of a team that won 3 straight. Does that mean they are/were superstars? Horace Grant was a part of a team that won 3 straight les, and had pretty good stats. Does that mean he was a superstar? If you answer yes to any of those, then you are a total moron.
Alrighty. Good thing we don't care what you think (what you think is not necessarily a fact).
They look like superstars to me. This represents TWO years...and there was a pretty dang good year in between, too.
How many of these celebrations has "Superstar Dork" had? Oh, yeah...none.
Parker is having a good year, but not a GREAT year. his FG% is very nice. to be so high in points in the paint for a guard is nice, but how is it that he is getting inside so much? id say a LARGE part of that is Duncan boxing out, drawing double teams, etc... sure, he finishes as well as anyone in the league, but he doesnt create everything for himself. duncan creates a lot of his open lanes and opportunities.
other than a high FG%, there is not much to brag about. 19 ppg isn't bad. 23% on 3's? sure, he rarely shoots them, but he shot 2 a game last year, and was still only 27%. 68% on FT's? even Shaq was able to get into the 60% range on freethrows before. less than a 2 to 1 assist to turnover ratio? 1 steal a game is pretty average. none of those are even CLOSE to being "superstar" numbers.
Yes. If I hadn't been serious, I wouldn't have said it.
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