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    I have to wonder if those stats are for people who actually go to church, or who simply call themselves "Christian" - and the same for the Atheists/Agnostics.

    If someone calls themselves a Christian, but does not live up to the commitment to live that way, including attending church for fellowship regularly, I would assume they would be predisposed to falter in their other commitments, as well.

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    That's rich! Throughout history catholics and christians alike have lied, judged and murdered in the name of their "spiritual" faith!
    And throughout the years millions haven't, what's your point?

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    In the Bible, Jesus makes strong statements against divorce, asserting that it is equivalent to adultery. Consider these statistics.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/opinion/19coontz.html

    True or false. Born-again Christians are just as likely to divorce as other Americans.

    35% of born-again Christians in this country have divorced, almost the same as the 37% of atheists and agnostics who have divorced - and 23% of born-again Christians have divorced twice. Among Pentocostals, the divorce rate is more than 40%. The region with the highest divorce rate is the Bible Belt.

    Coming back to the source of the thread, I didn't realize this had come from the NYTimes. They have been known to alter their so-called demographics to make stories more controversial. Accept the numbers at your own risk.

    Most of the people from my church have never been divorced.
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    IIRC, the national divorce rate is somewhere around 47%... so where the are all the rest of the divorces coming from?

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    IIRC, the national divorce rate is somewhere around 47%... so where the are all the rest of the divorces coming from?

    I thought I had seen the 47% story recently.... which is why the numbers from the Times article don't add up.

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    people who aren't atheist, agnostic, or born-agains

    finish your sentence.

    or was it going to end in "are God's gift to mankind."

    kind of oxymoronic isn't it.

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    you really Never read all the posts on a page before you post do you?
    finish your thought. Who is you.

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    people who aren't atheist, agnostic, or born-agains
    Dos posted divorces rates of other religions... all 30% and below... and I seriously doubt Muslims in America are leading the charge with a huge divorce rate to raise the weighted average to 47% (probably not even possible, given the relatively small amount of Muslims in America).

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    A couple things regarding the issue of adultery being prominent among Christians. 101A was correct to question the surveys relevance (it is what it is) because they have no way of examining the heart of a person. A very large portion of the population consider themselves Christians but I see a very small percentage of them that share much (if any) resemblance to the person Christ was and wants us to be.
    It's a nice thought to believe that all who claim to be Christians are truthful but this is reality----> Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
    Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons, and in your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.' ” Matt 7:22
    -Even though the false apostles claim to be Christians, even though they can perform signs and miracles, including casting out demons in the 'name of Jesus', Christ declares that he does not know them. Because of their lawlessness, their disregard for God's Holy Law, they are turned away from entering into the kingdom of heaven.


    In light of these words it's not at all surprising that the survey came up with the numbers they did.

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    A very large portion of the population consider themselves Christians but I see a very small percentage of them that share much (if any) resemblance to the person Christ was and wants us to be.
    They're called Republicans.

    EDIT: Now that's a one-liner

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    They're called Republicans.

    EDIT: Now that's a one-liner
    Bam!

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    GON is the king of witty one liners

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    A couple things regarding the issue of adultery being prominent among Christians. 101A was correct to question the surveys relevance (it is what it is) because they have no way of examining the heart of a person. A very large portion of the population consider themselves Christians but I see a very small percentage of them that share much (if any) resemblance to the person Christ was and wants us to be.
    It's a nice thought to believe that all who claim to be Christians are truthful but this is reality----> Not everyone who says to me,'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
    Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name cast out demons, and in your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness.' ” Matt 7:22
    -Even though the false apostles claim to be Christians, even though they can perform signs and miracles, including casting out demons in the 'name of Jesus', Christ declares that he does not know them. Because of their lawlessness, their disregard for God's Holy Law, they are turned away from entering into the kingdom of heaven.


    In light of these words it's not at all surprising that the survey came up with the numbers they did.

    I think it speaks to why it's easy to get the general public agitated about gays but not, say, adultery, extramarital sex and divorce. Somehow hetero sins are regarded as lesser than gay sins.

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    I think it speaks to why it's easy to get the general public agitated about gays but not, say, adultery, extramarital sex and divorce. Somehow hetero sins are regarded as lesser than gay sins.
    That and it's easier to get riled up about other people's sins.

    Speaking out against adultery causes people to look at themselves and feel guilty.

    Speaking out against sexuals allows people to look at others and feel righteous.

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    Yeah, it's totally a numbers game. sexuals are of a significant number, but I doubt Kinsey had it pegged right. It's probably around 3% and no more than 5%.

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    Among Pentocostals, the divorce rate is more than 40%. The region with the highest divorce rate is the Bible Belt.
    Others have questioned the numbers, and rightfully so, but I can buy the Pentacostal numbers. I've dated two ex-Pentacostals. They both divorced because they did not want to share their bed with another woman.

    Small sample I know, but it don't take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.

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    They're called Republicans.

    EDIT: Now that's a one-liner

    Ah, Og, you are so un-kind. I don't really know about Republicans but us
    conservatives try to be nice people.

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    Ah, Og, you are so un-kind. I don't really know about Republicans but us
    conservatives try to be nice people.
    It really shows in your support for people's death.

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    ^^Aren't you one of those that support abortion?

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    And where did you hear that?

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    No Where, just thought I remembered you talking about it was okay. I could
    be wrong. If I am wrong accept my apology.

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    ^^Aren't you one of those that support abortion?
    I don't kow that anyone is actually in favor of or supports abortion. I think most people that label themselves as pro-choice are against the government making this tough decision for them.

    But I do appreciate your attempt at framing the argument in such a fashion.

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    ^^No matter, we have gone over the abortion issue many times. No one ever
    really wins in this discussion. I was just answering a statement with a question.
    Like I said in a later post, I may have been mistaken (yeah I make mistakes sometimes). But I thought SA210 was pro-rights. But if not, I screwed up.

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    so why is it .. you can find a hundreds of books at christian bookstores about how divorce is wrong .. and hardly any books about how domestic abuse is wrong.. if the church is going to stand against sin .. it better put it's efforts into standing against every form of sin.......

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    so why is it .. you can find a hundreds of books at christian bookstores about how divorce is wrong .. and hardly any books about how domestic abuse is wrong.. if the church is going to stand against sin .. it better put it's efforts into standing against every form of sin.......

    Since when does the ' church' sanction or condone domestic abuse???

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