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    Dan...which of these groups do you belong to?

    ACLU Of Texas; BCDEMS; NEBCD; SAAPAC; SoulforceSATX; Takebacksanantoniodems; Texas-Democrats, Esperanza Peace & Justice Center; Yahoo Impeach Bush Now;
    ihatebushfanclub; texas_kos

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    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:01 AM
    To: ACLU Of Texas; BCDEMS; NEBCD; SAAPAC; SoulforceSATX;
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    Subject: [BCDEMS] VERY IMPORTANT ACTION NEEDED IMMEDIATELY!

    Dear Friends,

    WE NEED TO SUPPORT ELENA GUAJARDO! On Sunday, Ken Rodriguez wrote an unjust editorial attacking Councilwoman Elena Guajardo.


    Up until now, Elena has tried to remain out of the limelight. But, as you may know, Elena has been attacked publicly for doing what any rational person would have done. If you don’t know about Mr. erson, he is the employee who wrote an offensive e-mail on a company computer and then committed suicide after being fired. Elena’s enemies say it’s her fault. Can you imagine?


    Since the Rodriguez column came out, the volume has been turned up to the point that it can no longer be ignored.

    ELENA NEEDS YOUR HELP! Please tell your friends and colleagues to turn out and support Elena on Thursday at 6 pm at City Council Chambers. We need as large a turnout as possible to show our support for a truly remarkable
    Councilwoman. Also, start calling your councilperson, mayor’s office, state representative, newspaper, television station, etc. voicing support. This has the scent of the religious rights Culture War against life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I’m sick of it. Let’s plant the flag right here. SUPPORT ELENA GUAJARDO!!! (name withheld)



    If you want to see the kind of people who are supporting this effort take a look at this website:

    http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=29575 (There are 3 pages of trash talk about Elena and the first few are actually the least offensive.)



    ( name withheld ) brought this to our attention earlier today when he said; “It seems like she's now getting barraged by the not-even-in-the-closet white supremacists. If you ask me, this is a side of the story that needs to be known as well.”

    A few quotes, all from different posters, from this garbage page:

    “Hopefully the man's family will sue Zachry Construction and the mexi councilwoman.”



    “Even if this loud mouth piece of mestizo didn't pull the trigger, she still killed him, all with the setup and backing of the jew.”

    “If you were a man, you would know how important it is for any man, in particular a breadwinner, to be employed. As a matter of fact, the classic twin pillars of masculinity are a man's ability to provide and a man's ability to perform.”

    “Support <http://www.govnn.com/vnntaa3.pdf> The Aryan Alternative”


    … and it gets worse from there, but



    The one that really tells a story is:



    “I think that this story is an open-door for us to BARRAGE this mexic*nt with emails”


    WOAI and KTSA continuing to play this story only encourage this kind of garbage and give them a sense of power. That makes them dangerous. Elena did try her best to ignore this hoping it would eventually all die down of
    its own volition. Ken Rodriguez’s totally biased article yesterday has only incited things even more.

    I’m going to make it very easy for you to take immediate action. Here is all the contact information. Please call and/or email everyone on the list!!!

    Mayor Phil Hardberger 210-207-7060
    [email protected]

    District 1 Roger Flores 210-207-7279
    [email protected]

    District 2 Sheila McNeil 210-207-7278
    [email protected]

    District 3 Roland Gutierrez 210-207-7064
    [email protected]

    District 4 Richard Perez 210-207-7281
    [email protected]

    District 5 Patti Radle 210-207-7043
    [email protected]

    District 6 Delicia Herrera 210-207-7065
    [email protected]

    District 7 Elena Guajardo 210-207-7044
    [email protected]

    District 8 Art Hall 210-207-7086
    [email protected]

    District 9 Kevin Wolff 210-207-7325
    [email protected]

    District 10 Chip Haass 210-207-7276
    [email protected]


    Ken Rodriguez, author of totally biased SAEN story. Tell him that the White Supremacists started the email campaign he based his story led “Ken Rodriguez: E-mail vote is in: Critics want city councilwoman to resign” on.


    [email protected]


    http://www.mysanantonio.com/help/feedback/

    To write to MySA webpage, SA Express News or KENS TV


    http://www.ktsa.com/contact.htm

    KTSA Radio contact info

    http://www.woai.com/contactus/

    WOAI website, TV and radio contacts

    http://www.kabb.com/index.html

    Fox KABB TV contact info


    http://www.ksat.com/contact/index.html

    KSAT TV contact info


    http://www.telemundo.com/telemundo/2475132/detail.html

    Telemundo main contact page


    And after you send all those emails and make all those calls, be at the City Council meeting this Thursday, City Council Meeting, Municipal Plaza Bldg., City Hall Complex, 103 South Main

    Thursday, February 23rd, Citizens to be heard 6:00PM

    I have made a simple 2” x 3 ½” paper badge with large green letters that say “I Support Elena” and I will pin it to my blouse. It is made in a Word do ent and didn’t take any special programs.


    I made 6 of these “badges.” I opened a blank page. My Page Setup margins are .5 on top, bottom right and left. Go to Format. Click on columns. Click on 2 columns. I used Cuckoo font in Bold. I choose the color green. The “I Support” is on one line in font size 56 (yes, you can change the number to one that is not in the drop down menu). “Elena” is also
    in Cuckoo, on the second line in font size 97. I then did a copy and paste and made a total of 6 badges on one page. I will use a simple straight pin to pin it on my blouse. It isn’t inflammatory. It only gives my opinion.

    Peace, Love and Serenity,

    ( name withheld )

    "The MINUTE someone impugns your patriotism for opposing this war, turn on them like a snarling dog and explain what loving your country really means." Molly Ivins January 20, 2006

    What we have in this country is socialism for the rich and free enterprisefor the poor.-- Gore Vidal

    Courage for congress

    www.courageforcongress.org
    Dan, who sent the e-mail?

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    To the other posters/lurkers in this thread...does the original post sound familiar at all?

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    Dan, please link the people on your mailing list to my post about the differences between news articles and columns.

    I get tired of explaining it constantly.

    Also, have anybody feel free to e-mail me if they'd like further explanation.

    http://star.txstate.edu/index.php?op...d=80&Itemid=52

    My contact information is there...I'm the managing editor.

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    Screw it.

    [email protected] - Personal

    [email protected] - Work

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    I'm tired of this BS.

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    I don't understand the point this thread is trying to make.

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    No, clearly these views are extreme, but everyone needs to keep in mind that these at udes (although cloaked) still exist, no matter how much we want to think otherwise. These people have taken it upon themselves to blow up Ms. Guajardo's city-council e-mail box with this hate. Real concerns get lost when your afraid to open e-mails because you don't know what to expect next. It's disgusting, and those who have taken this to dangerous extremes deserve some of the blame.

    Ms. Guajardo's cons uents deserve the final say on whether they want her to keep representing them, after all they elected her.
    Ms. Guajardo herself is a racist. She read racism into an email that contained none. She made the call to the mans employer, why? It served
    no purpose other than get him into ho er and cost him his 27 year
    career. Go back under your racism rock, Dan.

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    Not everyone sees the same thing in every written word.
    Too people can read the same article or column and have two totally different interpretations of what they read.
    Some say she over used her "power"..well in my opinion, Mr. erson chose to use his power to end his life.
    Next election vote her ass out!

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    Real concerns get lost when your afraid to open e-mails because you don't know what to expect next.
    Actually, real concerns get lost when elected officials are more concerned with reporting imagined bigotry than addressing the problems that cons uents present.

    What's particularly troublesome here, is that Guajardo appears to essentially admit that she recognized that erson was an Oak Hills resident and was less concerned with his complaint because she never heard from him and rarely heard from anyone in Oak Hills. So, apparently, until you complain enough and correctly, Ms. Guajardo has no particular interest in addressing your complaints about the quality of life in parts of her district. That is appalling.

    What's even more appalling to me is the continuing insistence that Ms. Guajardo did absolutely nothing wrong in her handling of this situation. She violated the trust that should be implicit between an elected official and a cons uent. She took it upon herself to act as a super-HR department for Zachry, rather than speaking with Mr. erson and discussing the bigotry that she inferred from what he wrote in his e-mail. Her actions, particularly in light of the inescapable inference from her comments concerning the lack of complaints about Oak Hills suggests that Ms. Guajardo distinguishes among her cons uents, listenting to some and ignoring others. She can no longer ignore Oak Hills -- the political pressure is too great -- but she certainly leaves one with a sense that she viewed her job as one of responsiveness to certain groups and ignorance of others.

    It's shameful that people have turned this into a racial issue. It's also shameful, though, that some are so grossly political that they can't see this as a case of the sort of horrendous misjudgment that often results in the resignation of elected officials. Had Ms. Guajardo been white, black, or green, I'd still think that her actions in this cir stance were outrageous and that the voters in her district would have every right to demand her resignation.

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    I've sent letters to President Bush and he hasn't answered one of them!!!!!!

    I've sent letters to my congressman and he hasn't come by my house to talk to me yet!!

    And Phil hasn't had lunch with me yet either.

    How dare they ignore my letters!




    Yeah, I know I can an a-hole.

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    I've demanded resignations from public officials and not ONE has done so.

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    I've sent letters to President Bush and he hasn't answered one of them!!!!!!

    I've sent letters to my congressman and he hasn't come by my house to talk to me yet!!

    And Phil hasn't had lunch with me yet either.

    How dare they ignore my letters!




    Yeah, I know I can an a-hole.
    Well Bush did answer one of my letters, postman brought it to the door
    himself, didn't leave in the mail box.

    Congressman has answered my letters, but never came to the door, hmmm,
    do they do that? Senators have also answered. Postman doesn't bring
    those to my door.

    Haven't written Phil about anything.

    Sorry they are ignoring you, maybe you are an a-hole....

    Oh, and I did tell Clinton he was fired, but they kept on paying him,
    and he ignored me too. Guess he knew I was a conservative.

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    I was being sarcastic but the responses I recieved were form letters and signature stamped.

    But I have had several letters to the editor published in the SA Express news!

    But may backyard door is always open for Bush to stop by for some Burgers and freedom fries. There is no hunting so Cheney won't be dropping by so nobody else will be dropping either.

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    So which ST poster tipped-off the KKK?

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    ^^Got any brush clearing for him to do while he is there. He like Regean (sp) seems
    to like to attack the flora and fonda. Maybe your backyard is too clean, something
    to think about before inviting him again.

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    I've sent letters to President Bush and he hasn't answered one of them!!!!!!

    I've sent letters to my congressman and he hasn't come by my house to talk to me yet!!

    And Phil hasn't had lunch with me yet either.

    How dare they ignore my letters!




    Yeah, I know I can an a-hole.
    They also haven't, I'm guessing, decided to tell your employer that you were writing to express concerns about government issues.

    I'd be disappointed, but ultimately fine if Ms. Guajardo had just ignored the letter. As you say, elected officials do that all of the time. But in this case, she didn't just ignore it. She read it and decided to take action -- action against the letter writer. In doing that, Ms. Guajardo essentially told her cons uents that unless you approach her the right way, she will not listen to complaints and concerns and that she's more interested in exacting whatever political captial she can from the rhetorical faux pas of a cons uent.

    Ultimately, what Ms. Guajardo did was chill the free exchange of communication with her cons uents, who now must be concerned not only with the substance of the communication, but also with the means by which it is conveyed and the possibility that some part of that communication might be used against them.

    I'm by no means a supporter of this President or either Texas senator, but their failure to respond to your communications is hardly on the same level.

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    I don't understand the point this thread is trying to make.

    Nbadan likes to address divergent points of view with a little old-fashioned guilt by association.

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    They also haven't, I'm guessing, decided to tell your employer that you were writing to express concerns about government issues.

    I'd be disappointed, but ultimately fine if Ms. Guajardo had just ignored the letter. As you say, elected officials do that all of the time. But in this case, she didn't just ignore it. She read it and decided to take action -- action against the letter writer. In doing that, Ms. Guajardo essentially told her cons uents that unless you approach her the right way, she will not listen to complaints and concerns and that she's more interested in exacting whatever political captial she can from the rhetorical faux pas of a cons uent.

    Ultimately, what Ms. Guajardo did was chill the free exchange of communication with her cons uents, who now must be concerned not only with the substance of the communication, but also with the means by which it is conveyed and the possibility that some part of that communication might be used against them.

    I'm by no means a supporter of this President or either Texas senator, but their failure to respond to your communications is hardly on the same level.
    True, but I'm not going to kill myself over losing a job or being humiliated or embarrassed. Then again I've never sent an email from work and ALL my communications with public officials have ALWAYS contained my full name, address and telephone number.
    I undertand and see why so many are outraged with Guajardo's actions. I'm just saying, in my opinion, she has no blood on her hands.
    But that is just me.

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    Nbadan likes to address divergent points of view with a little old-fashioned guilt by association.
    Many people do. I get lumped into the bad, anti-patriotic "liberal" category all the time.

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    True, but I'm not going to kill myself over losing a job or being humiliated or embarrassed. Then again I've never sent an email from work and ALL my communications with public officials have ALWAYS contained my full name, address and telephone number.
    I undertand and see why so many are outraged with Guajardo's actions. I'm just saying, in my opinion, she has no blood on her hands.
    But that is just me.
    I don't think she has blood on her hands. Mr. erson was the person who chose to end his life, no matter how events played out up to the time of that decision.

    But I do think there's ample reason for her cons uents to believe that Ms. Guajardo: (1) is not trustworthy; and (2) should resign. I can see why someone might disagree with those determinations, but I'm baffled by the notion anyone could find those sentiments are somehow racially-motivated or unjustified. I'd feel that way even if Mr. erson was alive today. In fact, I felt that way when I read the pre-suicide story concerning this series of events.

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    I don't think she has blood on her hands. Mr. erson was the person who chose to end his life, no matter how events played out up to the time of that decision.

    But I do think there's ample reason for her cons uents to believe that Ms. Guajardo: (1) is not trustworthy; and (2) should resign. I can see why someone might disagree with those determinations, but I'm baffled by the notion anyone could find those sentiments are somehow racially-motivated or unjustified. I'd feel that way even if Mr. erson was alive today. In fact, I felt that way when I read the pre-suicide story concerning this series of events.
    Hey, I'm baffled by people every freakin' day. Again, two people can and will see, read, feel things differently. To me, I can see how she came to her conclusions. I don't agree but I can see it.
    It baffles me how nobody can see it and yeah I admit it isn't clear as day but again, that is just me.
    And JohnnyBlaze has put me in my place but it didn't change how I view things.

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    I don't understand the point this thread is trying to make.
    Surely you must understand cognitive dissonance Mr. Peabody.

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    Surely you must understand cognitive dissonance Mr. Peabody.
    But your revelation about some of the people who are also upset over the situation does not add anything to your argument. You posting hate-inspired rhetoric from the Vanguard News Network (what the were you doing over there anyway?) doesn't sway my opinion that Guajardo acted in a manner that is, at best, questionable.

    I am sure that there are many opinions that I have that are shared by people I wouldn't want to be associated with. But I don't base my opinions on who is out there agreeing or not agreeing with me. I base them on what the liberal media and Hollywood tells me to believe.

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    ^^you are in trouble now.

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    I base them on what the liberal media and Hollywood tells me to believe.
    You must be one of them scientiologists fellas.

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