What Kind of People are Leading The Outcry Over Council-Woman Guajardo?

[Nbadan]

A few posts from the Vanguard News Network forum are very revealing...



Cowboy Zeke wrote:

And this my friends should be cataloged as the reason this political correctness is killing whites, rotting them from the inside out. You have ######s, s, jews, male s and feminists who can ruin your life in positions of power over you for which they are not qualified, and a whole jewish system which makes it illegal for whites to have their own interests, or even protect themselves from the physical attacks of blacks and browns, and the financial molestation of the jew. From this article it shows it is de facto illegal to even talk about the problem, even if it is not written in bureaucratic ink.

This is what they are doing to us. Whites work harder, drive father, and contribute more and more money to housing to be away from the self evident scourge of blacks and browns. Enclaves which are soon discovered by the burgeoning masses of their nasty people, and the cops look the other way when crimes are committed against whites.

Soon the neighborhood is overrun, you are forced to sell at a loss, which means you must work even harder, just to have a portion of the lifestyle previous generations had, and the banking jews once again profit from your loss, the resale, the closing costs, and the interest owed on all these properties. Then you must drive even further to work, work harder, and contribute even more, while being taxed to help out the browns and blacks to buy up your old neighborhood.

This white man was already probably cut to the quick trying to have a peaceful living space, balancing his finances like a chinese plate juggler, trying to keep it going, and knowing he was only a few paychecks away from financial ruin. Even if this loud mouth piece of mestizo didn't pull the trigger, she still killed him, all with the setup and backing of the jew.

NO WAY OUT BUT THROUGH THE JEW.

ITZ COMING, AND THIS TIME ITZ GONNA BE PERMANENT!

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From Yankee-Jim

letter writing...STREET JUSTICE needs to be administered!

This is laughing her ass off at the letter writers. EXTREME, RAW VIOLENCE is what these ing mud people understand.

Too bad this guy didn't pull a "Falling Down" before he took his own life!

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The Professor of Racial Cleansing wrote:

Here's the greasy Elena Guajardo. Get a good look at her smiling brown face. Make no mistake, she's absolutely overjoyed about the gringo "keeling heemself".

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Sparrow wrote:

Yeah too bad. If you're gonna off yourself because your whole world was turned upside down by some skin mestizo-###### why not consider the benefits that will accrue to your race if you exterminated a bunch of the roaches that infested your neighborhood. If only more of these end of the rope types would think of that.

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Anchorage Anarchists wrote:

If he was living that close to the edge, and his personal philosophy offered no explanation or "escape clause", one can see why he'd be so quick to throw in the towel. This is yet another reminder on how essential it is to get our message into the hands of other whites through the distribution of TAA and other suitable WN literature.

However, the muds and Jews who do this to our people must be exposed, confronted, and removed. Whether its a city council forcing a guy to suicide or a Morris Dees using the civil justice system to ruin white nationalists, they gotta go!

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SunofSparta Wrote:

As a homicide cop I handled lots of suicides,but honestly can't recall a ######, or Asian being one.

I don't think Parasites are suicidal?

Prof where did you get the Avatar picture it unfortunately, looks a lot like me

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Action Alert wrote:

I think that this story is an open-door for us to BARRAGE this mexi with emails. We are made to feel apprehensive to voice our opinion about RACE because of the chill that people like this woman casts over our country. Try the "chill" of a thousand angry White men and women stuffing your inbox.
We should also barrage THIS sucker who wrote this article absolving the poor councilsquaw of any blame!

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Disgusted Yet? I hope Express-News writer, Ken Rodriquez and ALLEN ELLEBRACHT are pleased with themselves.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Why? Because some people with obviously misguided and stupid views have taken this as their flag to bear?

Am I (a 25-year-old Hispanic) helping them too, Dan?

[PM5K]

I'm not sure I understand the purpose of your post?

Am I disgusted, yes, that's why I don't read that website and or forum, it's filled with a bunch of racists.

You could post a story about Mickey Mouse and I'm sure you'd get some disturbing and disgusting posts.

I hope you aren't trying to imply that those are the people leading the outcry, they aren't, just as the people who post here aren't leading any outcry, we just have an opinion, the same as they do except ours isn't filled with hate and racism.

I personally do not support Guajardo, I would be happy to see her resign, and I'm no racist and don't belong grouped together with the people who made those posts...

[Trainwreck2100]

Props to Yankee Jim on the Falling Down referance. That was a great movie. In the end, he just wanted breakfast at 11 o'clock.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And (holy crap), some of the posters are blaming erson for using her work account to send a personal e-mail.

Wow. I'm shocked.

Nobody is denying erson brought his employer's actions on himself, they're mad because it's not the right of an elected official to be the police for a private company, especially on something of this nature and something so sorely misinterpreted.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Dan, you forgot to quote one person, though I'm not surprised.

That email was great, and I'm about to send her one myself. She is supposedly a representative of all her cons uents, who employ her. It is not her place to act vindictively towards one of them simply because she finds his opinion "offensive". By the video it doesn't appear she did anything illegal, but I think a civil suit is winnable.

[Nbadan]

No, clearly these views are extreme, but everyone needs to keep in mind that these at udes (although cloaked) still exist, no matter how much we want to think otherwise. These people have taken it upon themselves to blow up Ms. Guajardo's city-council e-mail box with this hate. Real concerns get lost when your afraid to open e-mails because you don't know what to expect next. It's disgusting, and those who have taken this to dangerous extremes deserve some of the blame.

Ms. Guajardo's cons uents deserve the final say on whether they want her to keep representing them, after all they elected her.

[PM5K]

It's disgusting, and those who have taken this to dangerous extremes deserve some of the blame.

Deserve blame for what?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

So since you hope Rodriguez and Ellebracht are pleased with themselves, you're saying they facilitated the e-mails Guajardo is now afraid to open.

Kind of like Guajardo facilitated the death of erson by her actions following his e-mail?

While I don't believe that, you're making that connection.

[Trainwreck2100]

No, clearly these views are extreme, but everyone needs to keep in mind that these at udes (although cloaked) still exist, no matter how much we want to think otherwise. These people have taken it upon themselves to blow up Ms. Guajardo's city-council e-mail box with this hate. Real concerns get lost when your afraid to open e-mails because you don't know what to expect next. It's disgusting, and those who have taken this to dangerous extremes deserve some of the blame.

Ms. Guajardo's cons uents deserve the final say on whether they want her to keep representing them, after all they elected her.

They also believe in crazy ass , so why should we let the fact that their views in one case are somewhat similar to ours (against guajardo) change how we feel about it.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

And how exactly is Rodriguez to blame?

He quotes Guajardo (8 Feb column) as saying that no anger came from erson towards her contacting Zachry about the e-mails (calmer than I would be).

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

It's fairly evident that Guajardo hears (and reads) what she wants to.

So does Councilwoman Guajardo think that her cons uents can trust her? Does she think they feel safe writing her about their concerns?

“Oh, they know. They know,” she says. “They know who I am. Mr. erson and I never had a communication of where he lived. The residents there have never had a communication before in that area. Let me tell you, since then, two other people that live in that same neighborhood have called and we're reacting to that.”

Some say reacting is not good enough. They want Guajardo to step down. A call she says she isn't hearing.

“When I'm in my community and in my district, not one person has come up to me face to face and said anything negative,” says Guajardo. “I'm getting hugs. I'm getting responses like, ‘Don't you ever think?’ and ‘You're doing a wonderful job. You keep doing. You keep fighting.’”

It's no doubt Guajardo still has supporters, but many that we talked to say it’s time for a change.

A voter we spoke to didn’t want to show his face, but says at one time he pushed to get Elena Guajardo re-elected.

“That showed at the very least a lack of judgment and at the very worst a vindictive, retaliatory person,” he told News 4 WOAI.

Now he's among a growing number of dissenters working to get the controversial councilwoman removed.

“She can say she feels sorry that this happened. She can say whatever. But she should not, no elected official should be reporting his or her cons uents to their employer,” says Allen Ellebracht, who described himself as a 'personal friend' of erson.

One neighbor told us off-camera that he didn't think Guajardo is at fault for erson’s suicide, but others say this incident has tainted her reputation.

“I don't think she should of done that,” says cons uent Sylvia Gonzales. “She should resign. She really should. It shouldn't have happened at all.”

Another cons uent, Gina Hughes, sees it a bit differently, “Things like this do happen, but in the main matter of this she shouldn't have gone straight to his employer.”

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

"Mr. erson and I never had a communication of where he lived."

Elena Guajardo,

I am a resident of Oak Hills subdivision in San Antonio, Texas.

Members of the Oak Hills Citizens Association are either District 7 or District 8. I think that's a "communication" of where he lives.

http://epay.sanantonio.gov/nass/Nass...%20ASSOCIATION

[Nbadan]

So since you hope Rodriguez and Ellebracht are pleased with themselves, you're saying they facilitated the e-mails Guajardo is now afraid to open.

Kind of like Guajardo facilitated the death of erson by her actions following his e-mail?

While I don't believe that, you're making that connection.

Let's say one of these sicko's took it upon themselves to 'even the score' with Guajardo, can we then lay some of the blame on Rodriquez for his anti-Guajardo column, or on Ellebracht for emotionally over-reacting in front of the TV cameras? Of course not, but we also can't say with complete certainty that their reactions didn't contribute to any future possible attack.

Texas justice? That's not for you or me to decide, because she is not serving our interets. She was serving the interests of her cons uents and they, not you, me, Ken Rodriquez, or Mr. Ellebracht, deserve the final word on whether her actions were justified or not. No matter what our personal opinion on this may be.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

It's probably also safe to assume that if he was speaking of the goings-on at GCS, he lived in her district.

http://www.sanantonio.gov/council/ma...lDistricts.pdf

[Trainwreck2100]

Let's say one of these sicko's took it upon themselves to 'even the score' with Guajardo, can we then lay some of the blame on Rodriquez for his anti-Guajardo column, or on Ellebracht for emotionally over-reacting in front of the TV cameras? Of course not, but we also can't say with complete certainty that their reactions didn't contribute to any future possible attack.

Texas justice? That's not for you or me to decide, because she is not serving our interets. She was serving the interests of her cons uents and they, not you, me, Ken Rodriquez, or Mr. Ellebracht, deserve the final word on whether her actions were justified or not. No matter what our personal opinion on this may be.

Well if was one of THESE whackos we can firmly rule out Rodriquez cause those white boys won't let a mexican provoke them. It violates their crazy beliefs.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Let's say one of these sicko's took it upon themselves to 'even the score' with Guajardo, can we then lay some of the blame on Rodriquez for his anti-Guajardo column, or on Ellebracht for emotionally over-reacting in front of the TV cameras? Of course not, but we also can't say with complete certainty that their reactions didn't contribute to any future possible attack.

Texas justice? That's not for you or me to decide, because she is not serving our interets. She was serving the interests of her cons uents and they, not you, me, Ken Rodriquez, or Mr. Ellebracht, deserve the final word on whether her actions were justified or not. No matter what our personal opinion on this may be.

Nowhere have I asked for "Texas Justice", Dan, and you know it.

And their reactions are just that, Dan, reactions.

Ken Rodriguez is paid to express his opinions. Did you read his column about his night at GCS? I think erson had every right to complain.

God, he wrote of a deputy who KNEW there were criminals there.

And another thing...the whole fight is because her cons uents don't believe she was acting in their own interests, but her own.

I suppose nobody had a right to comment on the California governor being recalled, either?

Also, as a voting citizen of Bexar County and San Antonio, I do believe that I am indirectly one of her cons uents.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Oh, it IS for Ellebrecht to decide.

He lives in her district.

[Nbadan]

"Elena did," the colleague says, "by going to Zachry and not to erson. Zachry overreacted by firing him. And erson overreacted by taking his own life."

Rodriquez's article is mostly fair, but do you think this editorializing at the end of the article is appropriate? Why didn't Rodriquez include a Guajardo supporter?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

But back to the point of you lumping me, Ken Rodriguez, Ellebrecht in with white supremacists...why do I know that you (as do I) hate being lumped in with terrorists because we may disagree with the actions the President takes?

[Trainwreck2100]

She's screwed now, the religious right got ahold of this

http://forums.crosswalk.com/Man_kill..._893146/tm.htm

How very sad. If I were in the area, I'd never purchase a home or use Zachry Construction. I also think this councilwoman should lose her seat if she violated any confidentiality rules.

I assume this was a married man with a family, from his note. My heart goes out to them.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Rodriquez's article is mostly fair, but do you think this editorializing at the end of the article is appropriate? Why didn't Rodriquez include with a Guajardo supporter?

While this next statement is general in nature, it's kind of what we use when people give us this argument at The Star.

If there's a person's picture next to the text, it's an opinionated column, as all columns are.

If there's a byline (a straight byline), it's an article which is charged with presenting all sides of a necessary issue.

Why didn't he (and for the love of God, Dan, just spell his name right) put anything from a supporter in there? Why did he editorialize?

Because he's supposed to!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

All these people...OPINIONS!

http://www2.mysanantonio.com/aboutus...ws/columnists/

Look, while I believe (and I sincerely try to ask all of MY columnists to do so) it makes your column more accessible to readers and may help sway them to your side (which is what you're trying to do in a column) to present all sides of the issue and your responses as to why you disagree, it's not necessary.

[Nbadan]

But back to the point of you lumping me, Ken Rodriguez, Ellebrecht in with white supremacists...why do I know that you (as do I) hate being lumped in with terrorists because we may disagree with the actions the President takes?

Because it's an unescapable fact. The reason liberals are seen as soft on the war on terror is because NeoCon mouth-pieces like Insannity like to continuosly lump anyone who expresses anti-war sentiments with supporting the views of Islamic terrorists. You and I know it's not true, but there is a large segment of the population which doesn't no matter how much we try to convince them other-wise.

Now turn that around, you and I know that Ms. Guajardo's actions weren't likely racially-motivated, poor-judgement in reaction maybe, however not racially motivated, but judging from some of the posts in the VNN forum, it seems that a size-able segment of the population believe otherwise, and they are out there with you protesting at city council meetings, blowing up Ms. Guajardo's e-mail address, and who knows what else.

I just think that those who are truely concerned about this incident for the right reasons, like Mr. ELLEBRACHT, need to be more sensitive of the situation, and more aware of the sentiments they are either wittingly or unwhittingly helping to support among a segment of the population.

It's time to end the hate, and let the voters decide.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'll respond more tomorrow, but I've spent all day at class and at the paper putting it to bed for the night.

No matter the situation; left, right, brown, white...people are going to use other situations for their own benefit.

This world isn't perfect, but silencing it doesn't make it better.