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yes, Manu's pass to Tim needed to be a zinger, like his one to Tim to eliminate the Sonics last playoffs. Just one more mental mistake in a long list last night.
Time to clue you in. Tim has hit 8 game winners in the past 4 seasons which would make him pretty clutch in my book. On top of his proven ability to come up big in the clutch Tim also was our best player last night. Why wouldn't Pop give the ball to the player with the hot hand?
As I read this thread I was amazed to see that nobody pointed out the fact that Manu didn't make the right pass for the situation. Instead of throwing it directly to Tim's chest, he threw it out towards Tim's hand which made the pass an easy pick.
yes, Manu's pass to Tim needed to be a zinger, like his one to Tim to eliminate the Sonics last playoffs. Just one more mental mistake in a long list last night.
That was no mental mistake... there was no direct line of sight or path between Tim Duncan and Manu to throw a pass you suggest. The small lob pass was the only chance to avoid Watson's quick hands bothering the entry passer. Sorry, but the ball was clearly within reach of Duncan, who was outmanuvered by a younger and faster Petros. Duncan failed to seal off his man.
The critical error in the game was Horry's... call a timeout and the game is over. That was a very stupid mistake and cost the Spurs the game.
All I have to say is that most teams if not all teams know the last shot is going to go to Tim Duncan. I don't think it should always go to Tim and sometimes the play isn't designed for Tim. Yesterday, in my opinion, it should have gone to someone else.
The thing is, it doesn't always go to Duncan, but when you are playing a team with nobody that can guard him, that's not the stupid call that many here seem to think it is. If Duncan had scored three points in the game, you might be able to make that argument. Duncan was having a pretty good night. Give him the ball. It's also funny that those here that claim to have so much more experience than the rest of us can't seem to fathom the idea of a bad team loss when so many mistakes are made. Instead it has to fall on one or two people.
With Manu inbounding, the Sonics were expecting Duncan to get the ball and they swarmed all over him like flies.
IMO, Manu should not have been inbounding.
duncan getting the ball is fine. duncan getting the first touch is predictable. it would most likely be easier for duncan to score if he got the second touch.
Everyone in the league already knows how Manu plays, which is another reason why this season has been tougher.
Last year was his first year as a starter and not many teams knew too much about him yet, and so they didn't know what to expect, which is why he torched a lot of teams. But now, they all know his style and how much he likes to drive left, so he's been settling more for 3's.
Manu's style is no secret anymore.
Exactly!
I don't understand why so many poster here (AHF in particular) seem to think that Tim can't do in crunch time and that Manu is the God of clutch basketball? Tim has hit 8 game winners in the last 3 1/2 seasons, Manu hasn't hit a single one. On top of that, Tim had the hot hand tonight and none of Seattle's bigs could gaurd him. That made Pop's decision a pretty obvious one.
Bull . Name them.Time to clue you in. Tim has hit 8 game winners in the past 4 seasons which would make him pretty clutch in my book.
Tim was our best player the first three quarters. This is about the fourth quarter. Time to clue you in. With Tim in there we were staring at the wrong end of a 9 point deficit with three minutes to play.On top of his proven ability to come up big in the clutch Tim also was our best player last night. Why wouldn't Pop give the ball to the player with the hot hand?
Then Manu came in and helped us erase that lead AND give us a lead in the span of two minutes. The hottest hand at the end was Manu.
As I read your post I'm amazed that you think Manu has the ability to throw a chest pass to Tim when he has a Seattle defender directly in the passing lane between him and Tim.As I read this thread I was amazed to see that nobody pointed out the fact that Manu didn't make the right pass for the situation. Instead of throwing it directly to Tim's chest, he threw it out towards Tim's hand which made the pass an easy pick.
Quit kissing Tim's ass so damn much and recognize we have other guys on this team who can make a play too.
Tim has hit 8 game winners in the last 3 1/2 seasons, Manu hasn't hit a single one.I thought you were just clueless, but then I realized whose name is in your handle.
02-03: Nov. 4th 2002 @ Memphis - hit turnaround over Gasol at the Buzzer in OT
Dec. 23rd 2002 @ New Orleans - hit 3 as shot clock expires with about 30 seconds left
Jan. 24th 2003 @ Utah - hit turnaround over Karl Malone at the buzzer
Jan. 31st 2003 @ Orlando - hit short bank shot with 4 seconds left
03-04: Jan. 10th 2004 vs. Indiana - hit jump hook with about 30 seconds left
04-05: Feb. 28th 2005 @ Cleveland - hit jumper at the buzzer
May 19th 2005 @ Seattle - hit short bank shot with 0.5 seconds left
05-06: Jan. 14th 2006 vs. Memphis - hits short alleyoop layup off a nifty feed from Manu with 8 seconds left
Here's what David said after Tim's game winner against Orlando: "During our run to the championship he finished just about every game. I've come to expect that from him. He seems to deliver just about every time."
If Tim had a night like the one he had against portland I wouldn't want him taking the shot with the game on the line, but he had the hot hand tonight. You on the other hand seem to think that Manu's the only one who can do in the clutch.
That's one of my favourite Duncan shots of all time. Loved the little shimmy he gave the crowd at the end.
Pop is on purpose not give the ball to Manu in the 4th quarters, or late in shot clocks at the top of the key for a reason.
1) He doesn't want him to get hurt but mainly
2) He wants teams in the playoffs to have the least possible experience/film on how to stop that as possible.
It's gonna be like our secret weapon in the playoffs, Manu running the 1-4 in the 4th quarter, like last year.
Or maybe the secret weapon will be our rebounding...
sounds very Pop-esque
"our secret weapon"
Spurs have no secret weapons. Pop has said there are not secrets between teams. Pop says everybody knows everybody else so well, esp with preparation/concentration for specific opponents in the playoffs.
Playoffs are about desire, execution, health, and sometimes lucky bounces.
Alright TDjocksniffer, now go back and research and give me all of Manu's, as you obviously have way more free time on your hands than I do.
Actually, you're both wrong on this one. How about having the guy who had 17 points AND 12 assist run the play?????
I love Manu and I love Tim and I love Pop, but after the season Tony has had, it still doesn't seem like Pop trusts him enough to come through in the clutch and make something happen. He did this in the Philly OT as well I remember.
I could not disagree more with the premise of this thread. Pop frequently gives Manu the ball in the 4th this year. He did again last night in Seattle. It was Manu's playmaking that helped put the Spurs on a 9-0 run. Manu's trouble last night was he was in cheap-foul trouble with 5 fouls and had to sit until the last 3 minutes.Pop is on purpose not give the ball to Manu in the 4th quarters, or late in shot clocks at the top of the key for a reason.
1) He doesn't want him to get hurt but mainly
2) He wants teams in the playoffs to have the least possible experience/film on how to stop that as possible.
It's gonna be like our secret weapon in the playoffs, Manu running the 1-4 in the 4th quarter, like last year.
Or maybe the secret weapon will be our rebounding...
It was Manu at the top who set up Horry for 3 during that run. It was Manu at the top who passed it again to Horry who quickly hit Parker in the corner on TP's fake and floater that put the Spurs ahead 102-100.
When Manu inbounded the ball on the last play, Petro grabbed Tim and pulled him to get to the ball. Most of you should know that the inbounder is an immediate scoring option after the entry. See Robert Horry Game 5 NBA Finals shot, when Sheed left the inbounder to double Manu.
The voice of reason.
My point was that he only does it as a last resort, when he's absolutely desparate. He did it against Denver in the 3rd quarter, and against the Pacers in the 4th quarter.
But if it's a situation where the Spurs are up, we never see it. Last year it was being used to preserve leads and/or put teams away, this year it's when all other options are exhausted.
Please move on! Don't give that crap to the team that brought us 3 les and a lot of great memories.Everybody makes mistakes.It's just a stupid regular season game. Whatever! We had a few pretty bad ones at the end of last season.
If the only way we could beat Detroit is by having HCA and we don't get it then I guess we should assume they deserve it more than we do. I think we can beat them even with games 6&7 @ the Palace.Would be tough as but that's what true champioms do.
What we have to worry about are not a couple of losses but our lame rebounding and weak defense we've played recently. Same as the Pistons have to worry about their offense and the way-too-many 3s they're throwing.
les are fought for and earned in may and july.Doesn't say anything about mar 26th in the calendar.
I don't know how Manu could be a secret weapon, but I definitely agree with your injury point. With Tony Parker's ability to run the high screen/roll so well as a triple-threat, dramatically improving year-over-year, Manu hasn't had to be the key playmaker as much.
If Tony is out, things change again.
all we need is good execution to go as planned when pop writes up the last set-play.
I say, if manu was out this team wouldnt have had that energy for winning many games.
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