What would you pay Tony Parker?

**Nikos** · 10-01-2004

Thank you ducks :wink

**jalbre6** · 10-01-2004

I think that if they don't sign him now, and the Spurs go into next summer not wanting to max him out, someone else will. Then they'll have to scramble to replace him with either a player with less talent or someone with more mileage. He might be at 29 when his deal would expire one of the few players actually worth the maxxed out salary of a final year.

If he wants to sign now, do it. A core of Tim, Manu, and Parker under long term contracts all still in their 20's trumps anyone else's young talent as far as a core goes.

**ducks** · 10-01-2004

no problem

would have done it last night
but my new free laptop did not have any software to resize the image to the right size last night

**SequSpur** · 10-01-2004

If the Spurs don't resign him and he leaves, then they are hosed. They don't have any damn caproom.

They have to much jack wrapped in tools like Rasho and Malik.

**picnroll** · 10-01-2004

There's capped out and then there's maxed out. Spurs don't have salary cap room but Holt, like most owners will reach a point where he doesn't want to take on any more salary, be it adding an MLE player or offering a large salary to a player that they have Bird rights on like a Beano in a few years.

Ideally for a team every contract signed with it's players should be at a price where that player is tradeable. For the Spurs Duncan and his contract are certainly tradeable as is, I believe, Manu, Rasho, Bowen, Berry, everybody but Malik. Ideally whatever price Parker's signed at, if the need arose, his contract would not be a major hindrance to trading him. A max or near max contract, if he didn't improve, would be such a contract.

**SequSpur** · 10-01-2004

I wouldn't count on Pop making any trade unless it was a foreigner who couldn't speak English.

Pop's style is to yell and scream and try to get his way or make a player into something they are not.

If he was smart, he would realize that the only person that you can change is yourself.

Larry Brown trades 5 players a year. He won without a David Robinson or Tim Duncan.

One day, the rest of you will open your eyes and see how ing stupid Greg Popovich is.

He benefitted from David Robinson and Tim Duncan. Tpark could have coached that team to more championships than Pop did.

**Marcus Bryant** · 10-01-2004

Point guard is a tough position to fill in this league and we've all seen how easy it has been to get top free agent talent to come to San Antonio de Bexar.

It would be hard for me to believe that the Spurs signed Ginobili to that deal without planning properly for Parker's next deal.

**SequSpur** · 10-01-2004

Retain or trade. The only way to go.

**xcoriate** · 10-01-2004

What do you think we could get in a sign and trade if it came to that? (Hope it doen't)

If Beno develops I'd shop for a SF or C

If he didn't then we'd have to find a genuine point.

**picnroll** · 10-01-2004

Agree the Spurs should retain or trade Parker.

Spurs and Pop haven't traded players in the past but for the most part they haven't had much to trade, getting by and competing using veteran talent like Smith, Kerr, Ferry, Willis, etc.. They do have a talent for identifying , bringing in and developing, using good young talent like Jackson, Claxton, Brown. Maybe Litton, Thomas will fall in that mold. Problem is that they've lost much of that talent without compensation, Claxton, Jackson, even Hedo. Same may happen with Brown. Scola is now on the horizon, maybe Sanikidze, maybe Javtokas.. Beano may be really good, the little I've seen reminds me of Hinrich, a guy who in his own way I think may be as good as Parker.

Spurs are becoming a team with a lot of good young talent and they can't keep them all but they shouldn't just lose them. They have entered a different era and will have to begin to wheel and deal. Maximize and capitalize on their special ability to identify and develop young talent to acquire players or draft picks to improve the team. Not continue to lose resources without compensation.

**Phenomanul** · 10-01-2004

How is it Marcus has a post count of 1,000,059 every time he posts?

Is it a inside-joke reference on his many iden ies? Smiafro

**timvp** · 10-01-2004

Originally Posted by hegamboa

How is it Marcus has a post count of 1,000,059 every time he posts?

Is it a inside-joke reference on his many iden ies? Smiafro

He's been posting since 1932. We counted all posts, even the hanging chads.

**timvp** · 10-01-2004

If you trade Parker, you better get a stud point guard back. If you don't, they'll realize how important having a point guard who can push the pace is when Duncan gets triple-teamed in the playoffs.

**spursfaninla** · 10-01-2004

first off, I agree you keep parker, whatever the cost.

He is probably worth 6 years, 60mil, but could get 70.

IF he gets the max (86), starting around 11 mil (i remember that number stated earlier), with 10% raises, it puts us just at the luxury tax, hoping the tax continues to increase at that 10% to avoid paying double dollars for going over.

It's hard to swallow, paying him the max or near it, but if it came down to it, there really is no choice. If he goes, we have no money to replace him. We would be forced, worse case, to sign-n-trade him.

Glad to hear he does not want max, and if we are smart, we will take his offer if it is below 70.

I disagree that we lost Jackson and hedo for nothing; if you think about it, we essentially spent the money we WOULD have spent on Jackon on Hedo, and then the money we WOULD have paid Hedo on Barry.

Plus, everyone PLEASE realize we could not afford Parker now if we had paid either of those OVER RATED, OVERPAID swing players.

We got Barry for a bargain, and as a better skilled, more polished player than either of them, his all-around game will matter much.

They can keep either of em'.

**SequSpur** · 10-01-2004

You don't trade Parker.

You unload wasted capspace like Malik and Rasho. You get a solid backup point guard and a center that can rebound and dunk the damn ball.

You keep everybody else and you win the next 3 or 4 championships.

The Spurs will never win with Rasho in the middle.

NEVER.

**SequSpur** · 10-01-2004

Not resigning Jackson and Claxton costed the Spurs the Championship.

That is what happened there. Hedo sucks. You know, if you mention his name in a post again, you should be banned for a season.

Hedo ing blew chunks. His buddy Rasho blows too.

**spursfaninla** · 10-01-2004

uh, sequ, if you feel like talking about the worthlessness of our c and backup bigman, start a new thread.

Hijacking this one so blatantly bites.

And, if Parker did demand the Max, it could make sense to trade him, depending on the deal. If a team was ready to Max him out, I would consider trading him for afew of their best players if it made sense.

**Phenomanul** · 10-02-2004

With or without Rasho, the SPURS are already poised to win 3 or 4 of the next 5 les.

Having a core of TD, TP, Manu, Bowen, and Barry already assures us of that.

**spursfaninla** · 10-02-2004

Hedo sucked when it counted, but he was VERY good for a few months late in the season.

If he was hot like that in the playoffs instead of a month before them, and that does happen (see d. fish during lakers 3rd championship), you are justifying the big contract the spurs laid on him, and lamenting that we could not keep him, manu and parker.

We had NO CHANCE at keeping Claxton; he wanted more than we could pay, and he wanted to start. Crying about it is about as useless as, for example, your advice on, well, anything.

**SequSpur** · 10-02-2004

BS. Didn't you just see the Spurs get wacked by an old ass Laker team a few months ago?

What's the difference? Barry?

Bro, common denominator......... Rasho Nesterovic.

Look at the success Minnesota had with him. Look at the success San Antonio had with him.....

None. Rasho could have been on the injured list in the playoffs and the Spurs would have advanced further.

**spursfaninla** · 10-02-2004

Sequ, I'm afraid your common denominator sucks.

As in, makes no sense, defies logic, lacks reasoning and devoid of fact.

See, Minny is worse today than we are in the middle; can you say Kandi?

He was and is WORSE than our guy, by all accounts. During the season, on the pine, during the playoffs, and next year. Worse.

**SequSpur** · 10-02-2004

Spurs should offer Parker a max deal...

Now back to the laker weiner.....

Rasho HAS NO RINGS.

MINNESOTA WAS IN THE WEST FINALS.

SAN ANTONIO WAS TOURING THE SAN ANTONIO ZOO.

Rasho is to suck as suck is to your opinion.

It's no lie that the Spurs had A GAPING HOLE IN THE MIDDLE AND IN RASHO'S SHORTS.

Are you banging Rasho or something?

**spursfaninla** · 10-02-2004

So you would trade Kandi for our guy, I take it?

Speak up, foo.

I didn't think so.

And if yes, you are an even bigger fool than I imagined.

Our center is fine. With no Shaq to worry about for the most part, an average center is plenty. The centers of the league are nothing to fear for the most part anyway.

You are living in the past; today's centers generally are just rebounders with a limited offensive game. Pf's are today's money men, and we have the best one.

**spursfaninla** · 10-02-2004

Laker Weiner?

Again, foo, I may live in LA but I'm no laker fan. Born and raised in SA, I choose to live in LA for my own reasons.

It is superior in terms of culture, diverisity, entertainment, weather and pay, but hey, live where you like

**timvp** · 10-02-2004

I have a bad feeling that Holt and the Spurs are trying to pinch pennies with Parker. The only reason they don't lock him up this year is if they think the CBA is going to change in their favor.

I think that has a good chance of happening. Spurs' brass is going to bet that the owners can get a tighter deal with players union and just wait it out. That way, they save a few million or a couple years.

Now if another team comes along and offers the max, I think the Spurs will flinch. Holt won't want it and Parker won't (and shouldn't) have any loyalty to the Spurs.

This is going down a slippery slope if they don't hammer out a deal soon.

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