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If you gotta break the bank, you gotta break the bank. If you lose Parker, the team is dead.
I know we talked about it before, but I can't find the thread.
What's the maximum that you would pay Tony Parker over a six-year extension?
I would top out at $68M.
The Spurs have their limit, what's yours?
If you gotta break the bank, you gotta break the bank. If you lose Parker, the team is dead.
So you'd pay him the max if he wanted it right now (I think his max would be like a 6year/88M extension)?
If that's what it takes to keep him, yes. If you lose Parker, the Spurs would no longer be a championship contender.
I think I'd got to $70M of the 6 years...
Any cap experts know what the actual figure for the MAX in Tony's case is...
We can only sign to a 6 year becuase we don't have full bird rights so that rules out the 7th year.
Edit: I agree with Timvp though... It's kinf of imperative to the teams success that he stays.
Maybe a shorter deal to give him time to devlop and gauge his potential better would be possible but I don't really see that happening.
Last edited by xcoriate; 10-01-2004 at 08:53 PM.
I agree with Timvp, in that you might have to overpay for him. Even if you do overpay, it won't ever be something as ludicrous as Shandon Anderson or Eddie Robinson, but if he maxes out, he maxes out.
I think San Antonio's offer to Parker would be close enough to max money, that another team just won't be able to absolutely blow him away with an offer enough to make it worth leaving San Antonio, and Tim Duncan.
I wouldn't break the bank for Parker...the Spurs spent the money wisely on Ginobili. You can get any point guard to win a le....look at the Lakers, Pistons, etc.
I'd offer $60 million, but yeah, I'd go to the max too if another team actually offered it to him. We have more to lose by not paying Parker the max and losing him than any other team has to gain by paying the max to bring him aboard.
That's not the reason we can't offer the seventh year. I think we can only offer a 6-year extension because he is already contract for this (2004-05) season, and the maximum length of contract is seven years (this year + six-year extension).We can only sign to a 6 year becuase we don't have full bird rights so that rules out the 7th year.
I'm pretty sure his max extension is 6years/$86,369,063.
Someone like ChumpDumper can correct me.
I'm with timvp... you pay Parker whatever it takes to lock him up in Spurs gear for another 6 years. He's just beginning to enter his prime and he is already one of the top points in the league, and a guy who creates horrible matchups for most of the teams in the league.
No point in paying Parker max now. You can always get him for max next summer. There is a premium to be paid on his part for signing now and getting the security of an agreement made before the new CBA and a year early where he doesn't have to worry about risking injury before he has a long term deal.
And Parker won't earn max from being an elite defensive PG or rebounder at the 1 and the Spurs system doesn't require or allow for a mega-assist PG so Parker has to move his game up a notch by becoming a consistent scorer whenever needed to get the max and also become a little better playmaker. To sign early he has to sign for less.
I think the Spurs are going to play hardball with him. Peter Holt is going to try to tighten up the salaries in the next CBA and then give Parker and toned down deal.
They are going to be playing with fire next summer if they don't lock up Parker soon.
Does paying Parker max factor in improvement? Would he be worth max if, after this summer working on his game, he played about the same next year?
I don't think Parker has proven that he's a max player yet. The past two years he's pooped out in the playoffs. Yes he's young, yes he'll continue to get better, but how would you feell if the Spurs maxed him and he then lays a third straight late-playoff gooseegg?
Thanks Kori that clears all that up then...
From what I've read Parker at this point is not asking the MAX. he could well be at the end of next season and I'm prepared to believe that someone else will definately make the offer if the spurs don't.
Tony Parker is 22 years old, has 3 years of full time starting experience behind him including significant playoff experience and a NBA championship. He is definitely a top 10 point guard in the NBA, if not top 5 today. He is the second star on this Spurs team.
In 7 seasons he will be 29 years old.
The 1 and the 5 are the toughest spots to fill in this league. The Spurs have a superstar 4 so that kinda makes up for what they have at the 5 but Parker is better than any 1 I can see them ending up with anytime soon.
If you have to max him sobeit. I hope Holt Cat et al are not cheap.
more then jason kidd or sam cassel or steve nash at this point in their careers
Teams that overpay players usually struggle to compete if a player doesn't live up to expectations. Pay Parker the max, and kiss any future flexibility goodbye.
I could see him getting 6 years/$70 million. He is an average defender, and average distributer, and a streaky scorer. He's only going to get better, but unless he can become an elite scorer, he's not going to be worth the max. Tony has showed that he can play like a star one night and disappear the next. He needs to take another step forward before he should be considered a max player.
He's very good and will continue to get better, but the Spurs need to make sure that they don't wildly overpay. If Parker is smart, he'll accept 6 years/$70 million. If there are significant changes in the CBA, he might not be able to get that much guaranteed money next summer.
you kissed the $ flexibility away with manu
spurs will be over the cap tell manu's contract is out anyhow
tony does not even want the max anyhow
they will only be able to sign their current players wth their bird rights
they can offer them any amount but no fa's
Would be nice to lock him up now for $68 million or so (6 years).
No one knows for sure TP will be an elite PG, but he is already very good and likely to become a Top 5 PG at some point. But of course this isn't certain. Thats why its nice to get him just below MAX money now in case he doesn't improve into an elite PG in the league -- at worst he stays at still a very good level and all star calibur anyway. So this would be a nice bargain. Sign him now if possible.
Tim Duncan is in his prime. You need to maximize the talent that surrounds him over the next 5 seasons. Either you get Parker or else you could easily find yourself back in the early to mid-90s hamstrung when you are trying to surround DRob with talent and are capped out.
The Spurs are basically capped out today. That's not going to change for some time. Stick with TP and roll.
That's very true. From now on in the Duncan era, the salary cap means nothing. The Spurs will be over it and will just have the MLE each year to try to add players.
That doesn't mean that you give every player whatever they want, but if another team puts a max deal on the table for Parker ... you must match.
If you don't, you might as well go back to rotating Tom Garrick and Greg Sutton at the point.
only way spurs will have cap room is if the new cba changes alot but I doubt that happens with the salary cap
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