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    I'm 37...past the limit...draft away.

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    Makes me glad that I'm an old fart, and NOT a doctor.

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    W has outlined no plans for covering shortages in recruitment goals in the Guard and reserves.
    There are bills in Congress being discussed which would up the pay rates for the military. Unlike the demorats, the republicans think the best way to upgrade the army isn't to draft people who don't want to be there, but sweeten the financial pot for those who do.

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    There are bills in Congress being discussed which would up the pay rates for the military. Unlike the demorats, the republicans think the best way to upgrade the army isn't to draft people who don't want to be there, but sweeten the financial pot for those who do.


    Having been there, you're talking about a raise of 50-100 a month for the average grunt in time of armed hostilities. The raises allocated by congress SUCK ASS. They're not going to keep people in the armed forces who are wearied beyond belief from too many combat rotations.

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    One thing that has struck me throughout this thread. The Pro-Bush forces seem to be both debunking and defending the possibility of a draft. Hmmmm.

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    Who defended it? I must've missed that.

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    If the draft is ever brought back into effect, I will become a card-carrying member of the opposition party.

    But it's not going to happen unless this country is attacked 10 times more dramatically than 9/11.

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    ex,

    The thing I heard, on NPR, was that they were talking about something like 20K signing bonuses for enlisting. Hardly $50 a month...

    Could it be that 911 had nothing to do with Al-Queda, as Bin-Laden has said in the past
    where the did he say that? I watched him take credit for it on tape, with the words coming from his own mouth. Wanna forward your DNC propaganda tape of him saying "I had nothing to do with this" to me for purposes of sheer humoric entertainment?

    Thanks.

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    So tell me, how is it preferable that we wait until we are attacked again. Or did you enjoy seeing nearly 3,000 slaughtered in the continental United States on live TV? Did your boss give you the day off at work? Did you enjoy a cold beer and some snacks while you saw that go down?

    Were you referring to the draft here, MB, or did you just run off and hijack another thread?

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    Yeah that's great and all, but something that may have happened 40 years ago and was rightfully rejected isn't enough to make me believe (or even consider) that Bush killed 3000 American citizens, crippled the economy, and empowered our enemies all just so he could take out Saddam. If you are going to make such damning accusations you better have some substantial and undeniable evidence (blogs by nutjob conspiracy theorists don't count). The sheer magnitude of such a conspiracy in and of itself pretty much makes it impossible, but don't let the real world stop that vivid imagination of yours.
    Operaton Northwoods wasn't rightfully or outwardly rejected by the Pentagon. They wanted to go through with it. It was a civilian committee that finally rejected the plan after it was presented to the Secretary of Defense.

    Also, It's not me who is making these accusations about the administration's actions, or lack thereof on 911, it's the families of the victims of 911 who are making them, and they say that when they finally get their day in court they will prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that members of our own government at the very least were negligent in aiding and abiding the conspirators of 911.

    I don't know how involved the Neocons were in 911 since, as you, I am skeptical about conspiracy theories without valid proof. However, through careful research I do know that on the morning of Sept 11th, Cheney was heading a clandestine operation that involved flying remote planes intended to simulate domestic hijackings. I do know that these simulations contributed to the slow or total lack of reaction by NORAD air forces that went into action defending our airspace within minutes when Payne Stewart's plane went off course just a few miles less than a year before. I do know that someone ordered NORAD planes out to sea, thereby leaving our domestic airspace vulnerable after the WTC attacks, and I do know that the 911 commission left many unanswered questions about the 911 conspirators, and especially their leader Muhammed Atta's time in the U.S. before the Sept 11th attacks.

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    Well, I do know you're full of . What else is new?

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    Wasn't referring to the draft, just his general position of inaction against Islamist terrorism (so long as there is a Republican president apparently).

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    I am skeptical about conspiracy theories without valid proof.



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    If the draft does come back..I'll be busy giving the boys a "going away" present to remember me by.

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