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It would take either Ginobili or Parker to get it done...
If he was healthy and stayed that way, I'd think about trading Big Ben...
Rasheed's a much better defender, and can shoot better. He also fits the pistons more.
It would take either Ginobili or Parker to get it done...
If he was healthy and stayed that way, I'd think about trading Big Ben...
It's his age. Jermaine has been part of a great defensive team. O'Neal will be 28 next season, Rasheed 32. 32 isn't old, but with Ben Wallace and Antonio McDyess the same age, I'd love to have a young buck the same age as Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton to set the clock back a little and extend the Pistons run. No doubt that Jermaine O'Neal won't spread the floor with his shooting, but he will if he passes out of the post. He'd be a more willing back-to-the-basket threat than Rasheed with just as much talent and effort on defense. Injuries are a problem, but they were with McDyess when he got here. The Pistons medical staff would check him out before the trade.
If there's an argument to be made against this it's that Rasheed is a smarter basketball player.
The Pistons have a "run"?
Blasphemy. This team wouldn't be a defensive juggernaunt anymore. They wouldn't have a catch-all when the players gamble on their men.
O'Neal is a good defender, I doubt they'd slack that much...
Jermaine's a good defender, but nowhere as versatile as Rasheed. And unlike Rasheed, he would demand the ball continuously on offense. So both Detroit's defense and offense would have to be revamped.
On paper is looks good, but I think the Pistons would end up missing the stuff Rasheed does that doesn't appear in the boxscore.
That's why I'd trade Ben...
2001-02 - 50-32 - Division le, Coach of the Year, Sixth Man of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year.
2002-03 - 50-32 - Number one seed in Conference, Eastern Conference Finalist, Defensive Player of the Year and Executive of the Year.
2003-04 - 54-28 - NBA Champions.
2004-05 - 54-28 - Consecutive Conference Championships, Three Defensive MVPs in four seasons.
2005-06 - 62-15 - Number one seed in Conference, if they win two games they will be the number one seed in NBA and simultaneously set a franchise record for wins in a season.
270-135 (.666), 4 Division les, 3 Conference Finals Appearances, 2 Conference Championships, and 1 NBA le.
1986-87 - 52-30 - Conference Finals Appearance
1987-88 - 54-28 - First Division and Conference le in franchise history
1988-89 - 63-19 - Franchise record in wins, 15-2 mark in the playoffs (swept Boston, Milwaukee, and LA Lakers) for first NBA Championship.
1989-90: 59-23 - 2nd Consecutive NBA Championship.
1990-91: 50-32 - 5th Consecutive trip to Conference Finals.
278-132 (.678), 3 Division les, 5 Conference Finals Appearances, 3 Conference Championships, 2 NBA les. 3 Hall-of-Famers (Joe Dumars, Isiah Thomas, and Chuck Daly).
I didn't call it a dynasty, I called it a run. Like the Sixers making the Finals 3 times in four years (1980-1983), winning an NBA le in 1983, and challenging for the Conference crown from 1976-1983.
Jermaine's a good defender, but nowhere as versatile as Ben. And unlike Ben, he would demand the ball continuously on offense. So both Detroit's defense and offense would have to be revamped.
On paper it looks good, but I think the Pistons would end up missing the stuff Ben does that doesn't appear in the boxscore.
Joey Harrington?
It's not O'Neal I would worry about. The Pistons strength of its defense comes as a team, not from individual greatness. In order to get the Pistons to tighten up on D, it's not the coaching staff that has cracked the whip; it's been Ben Wallace. I don't think O'Neal could do that.
Jermaine's a good quarterback, but nowhere as versatile as . . .
Oh, I can't.
Like clearing open shots for the guards by setting great picks without having to muscle them like a Charles Oakley. The only guy who rewards him for doing that is Rip Hamilton.
Well, Jermaine would be able to stand in the pocket and see over the defense making it easier for him to read. He's a little injury prone so he would need a great offensive line. Perhaps Ben Wallace could block for him, Rip could be his number one receiver, and Chauncey Billups could run right up the middle as strong as he is.
Back to O'Neal, I wonder how mobile a quarterback would he be?
It would be a tough call, but I'd say adios to Manu. He is only a year older than Jermaine, butI think Manu just plays too wild, he's going down for half a season eventually. Big men are harder to come by either way. I'm not taking salaries into account though, because I'm to lazy to google that up.
Laziness solved:
O'Neal: $16,425,000
Ginobili: $7,425,000
Differential: -$9,000,000.
Rasho Nesterovic ($6,720,000) and filler would have to be thrown in or a re-signed Nazr Mohammad. That's assuming the Pacers think that highly of Manu Ginobili.
I`d trade PJ CARLESIMO for J. O`neal
Are you talking seriously??
Only way we give up either Parker or Manu is for Granger or another piece besides J O'Neal = that contract is huge so doubt it could happen.
If I were Wolves I would be shopping Garnett for J O'Neal, Jackson and make a soft try for Granger = about the best they could ever get! O'Neal is not a Garnett but he replaces a 22 and 12 with a 20 and 9 pretty quickly and gets them slightly younger and with a slightly smaller contract.
Both have not proven dog meat in the playoffs so good trade for both and Garnett and Stoj would be a fun but soft front for the Pacers, settling for jumpers all the time.
Again if I was Wolves would be calling Bird right now and they may well be dropping subtle hints to come after JO.
Last edited by Rummpd; 04-11-2006 at 06:12 PM.
KG for JO'N is an interesting thought.
Though the Wolves would have go get something else out of that.
are u serious???? Ben Wallace is the heart and soul of the Pistons. Don't u forget that
No.
I was serious about Harrington though.
Dude, I wouldn't trade Antonio McDyess for Jermaine O'Neal.
JO = Jack Off!
Manu.
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