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    I've talked to several writers around the country who are voting for Bruce. We'll see.

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    Just couldn't stay away, could you?

    I was actually signing off for the day when I saw that I got 24-hour banned. Luckily, I have a better sense of humor than certain Mods around here, so I won't get all pissy about it. But apparantly you aren't allowed to joke around on SpursTalk. You know, in the "knock on wood, cleanse your soul of unholy spirits, anti-jinx" thread.

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    What's that about?
    All I did was verify and laugh.

    I am a bit surprised I have yet to go mad with power yet....

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    Bowen faces the best players night after night and he's incredible with them...


    Ben gets to face very few players with good offensive skills....


    Bowen deserves it WAY more than Ben this year IMO.

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    I'll unban you.

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    All I did was verify and laugh.

    I am a bit surprised I have yet to go mad with power yet....
    When you already have the gone mad part, the with power bit doesn't really add much extra.

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    Bowen faces the best players night after night and he's incredible with them...


    Ben gets to face very few players with good offensive skills....


    Bowen deserves it WAY more than Ben this year IMO.
    It doesn't matter. When people start saying Wallace is the heart and soul of the team, it's all over.

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    I should have done so earlier - wasting time in other threads.

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    Bowen faces the best players night after night and he's incredible with them...


    Ben gets to face very few players with good offensive skills....


    Bowen deserves it WAY more than Ben this year IMO.
    If you are just taking into account the individual that Ben matches up with on defense, then you are missing the entire reason why he is who he is. He is a great defender because he seemingly guards every player on the court. He is a one-man full court press. He can switch out on virtually any player, and guard them effectively (the ultimate pick and roll big man). He knows when to help and when to stay home. When to go for a block, and when to just alter the shot. He does all of this stuff, yet he's one of the only big men in the game that doesn't get into foul trouble every other night. And he is a terror in the passing lanes. That doesn't even bring rebounding into the picture.

    The player with the greatest impact against one player: Bowen
    The player with the greatest impact against the entire team: Wallace

    Just my take on it...

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    I should have done so earlier - wasting time in other threads.
    It's okay, I undid it.

    The forum is more juvenile tonight than I've seen it in a while.

    Did y'all notice TimmyD is back and that the Spurs have 60 wins with 3 left?

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    it will be interesting to know those stats
    Yeah it would be quite interesting to see, but it would be a to measure and somehow I don't think that's the kind of thing Pop concerns himself with.

    Incidently, I looked up what the Artest stats and they're even more BS than I thought:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1784876

    Carlisle said Artest held opponents to 9.4 shots and 8.1 points a game when he was matched up one-on-one.
    WTF does that even mean?

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    WTF does that even mean?
    It means Carlisle made himself a laughing stock by conjuring up those stats and distributing them around the league.

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    Did y'all notice TimmyD is back and that the Spurs have 60 wins with 3 left?
    I noticed that, when the team has all its players together, and healthy, they can beat anyone.


    Tim D is back.

    Shame it was wasted in a meaningless loss that wont mean much in the playoffs.

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    It's okay, I undid it.

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    It means Carlisle made himself a laughing stock by conjuring up those stats and distributing them around the league.
    Um, except it worked.

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    " . . . what Bowen does doesn't show up on a stat sheet.
    I'm biased of course, but what Ben does night in and night out shows up on the stat sheet. And he, like Bowen as well does things that don't show up.

    Ben Wallace is the anchor of the Detroit Defense .............. he is the alpha & omega defensive options for the Pistons.

    All the little things that he does that don't show up on the stat sheet ........... trapping smalls, (Steve Nash), shuttin' down bigs, (Dirk Nowitzki), guarding Shaq mano-a-mano in the low post, ball denial before it even gets to the post, weak side shot blocking, rebounding, and he's the last line of defense to protect the bucket.

    All of these things he does at a listed height of 6'9". But in reality, he's only 6'7".

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    I can't really control what happens here when I'm at the game. But I usually try to be fair when I come home.

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    Um, except it worked.
    I don't think people voted for him because of the stat sheet. They were probably going to vote for him anyway.

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    All of these things he does at a listed height of 6'9". But in reality, he's only 6'7".
    Well, Bowen is actually only 5'11". And has terrible scoliosis.

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    All of these things he does at a listed height of 6'9". But in reality, he's only 6'7".
    If that.

    I remember when I stood next to him at the All-Star game in 2004, I was shocked at how not-so tall he was.

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    It means Carlisle made himself a laughing stock by conjuring up those stats and distributing them around the league.
    True. Too bad winning DPOY didn't help Artest guard Rip in the playoffs that year...

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    True. Too bad winning DPOY didn't help Artest guard Rip in the playoffs that year...
    He did manage to clothesline Rip in the throat though during that series (wasn't it Rip?)

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    It doesn't matter. When people start saying Wallace is the heart and soul of the team, it's all over.
    If you are just taking into account the individual that Ben matches up with on defense, then you are missing the entire reason why he is who he is. He is a great defender because he seemingly guards every player on the court. He is a one-man full court press. He can switch out on virtually any player, and guard them effectively (the ultimate pick and roll big man). He knows when to help and when to stay home. When to go for a block, and when to just alter the shot. He does all of this stuff, yet he's one of the only big men in the game that doesn't get into foul trouble every other night. And he is a terror in the passing lanes. That doesn't even bring rebounding into the picture.

    The player with the greatest impact against one player: Bowen
    The player with the greatest impact against the entire team: Wallace

    Just my take on it...


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    Here's another thing I'll say...

    If Bruce Bowen wasn't on the Spurs, they'd still be a great defensive team. Timmy is the anchor, and with Pop, it's a great defensive system.

    If Ben Wallace wasn't on the Pistons, they'd be a below average defensive team. Ben Wallace is the defensive system.

    this pretty much proves it: http://www.82games.com/0506/05DET16D.HTM

    With Ben on the floor, they are a top 2 defensive team. With Ben off the floor, they play about as much D as the Sonics.

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