Ben or Bowen??
There are no other candidates IMO.
I said a couple of weeks ago that I'd give it to Bowen. I figure he needs to get it at least once, and to be honest, if you look at Ben's stats, it was a down year for him.
I believe he does rank in the top 10 though in rebounding, steals and blocks.
Reggie,Charles and Kenny are going through their selections tonight, and all 3 of them chose Ben.
Honestly I was a little suprised.
But then again, what Bowen does doesn't show up on a stat sheet. Plus perimeter defenders don't typically win. (Artest is the only one that comes to mind)
Your thoughts?
Last edited by Pistons < Spurs; 04-14-2006 at 12:40 AM. Reason: because
I hope Bowen gets it, he has been sensational but I hope his bad image because of other pussies like ray allen, VC of the like dont tarnish his chances of winning it for the first time. Kirlenko is an AMAZING defender but too bad he was injured a lot this year
Bruce
I just saw that and I was shocked. Bruce should get it already. He's such a great defender and needs to get some respect. Ben's gotten it like 4 times already, and plus Bowen needs to rub it in Ray's face.
I think it would be a traveshamockery if Bowen doesn't win it at least once.
You argue back and forth between them every year. The difference between their value isn't so great that the count should be 4-0 Ben in DPOYs.
Ben's won the award 3 times
2001-02: He became the 4th player ever to lead the league in rebounds and block shots.
2002-03: He averaged the most rebounds (15.4) since Dennis Rodman
2004-05: Became Pistons All-Time leader in blocked shots.
Wallace's numbers: 7.3 points, 11.6 rebounds (4th overall), 2.21 blocks (8th overall), 2.0 assists, and 1.79 steals (9th overall). He's playing his lowest minutes (35.7 MPG) since the 2000-01 season (34.5 MPG).
I'll say again: If he wasn't for the fact he has won it 3 times in 4 years, those numbers on the best team in the league would make him a hands-down winner. My vote goes to Bowen for his lifetime achievement.
I really think Bruce gets burned because what he does doesn't carry stats.
You will never say he had 22 rebounds and 6 blocks.
But you can say he denied Kobe the ball 16 times, made him take a poor shot 12 times, got into Ray's head at the crucial moment when the game was on the line...etc etc
Unfortunatly for him, those things just don't get tallied up.
Without the stats, people who may not watch the Spurs for the whole 82 games never truly appreciate what it is that he does on a nightly basis against the best players on most teams.
I have a bad feeling that Bruce will be dissapointed once again.
I think Bruce will win hands down.
This is Bruce's year.
No ing respect for Bowen. TNT should have showed some more respect for him. Bowen's chances aren't looking good right now.
I have a feeling if Bruce doesn't win it this year, he never will.
I actually thought that last year, cus I thought he might lose a step the older he got, too. But that didn't happen, cus he is the man. I swear, I become more of a fan of his everyday.
correctomundo. The writers don't get it.
Not only is he a good defender, but he's clutch. He always seems to hit the three when needed.
The Spurs coaching staff needs to make up some bull stats about Bowen like Rick Carlisle did with Artest they year he won. Something like the guys Bowen guards shoot 15% worse from the field and score 7 points per game less than usual...
Wallace will win it again.
That's the thing. Bruce's stock as DPOY couldn't be higher yet Ben has a slightly "down" year statistically.
If Ben wins it again, then it's already ingrained in the minds of writers/media.
Wallace is the lazy choice - and alot of these writers are lazy when it comes to this stuff.
it will be interesting to know those stats
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Bowen will never win it. If people believe Wallace refused to go into the game on purpose to spark the team, there's no way Bowen has a chance. I'd rather have Bowen pissed going into the postseason anyway. Maybe he'll finish third to Wallace and Artest.
That's why Wallace will win it. Some just look at numbers, some actually know what the they're doing and some just vote for the best known guy...
We analyze every detail of all these stats and most of these guys could give a less.
Just as point of information, before the sportswriters got lazy and just started voting for shotblockers, there were lots of wins by perimeter players:
Sidney Moncrief, 1983 and 1984
Alvin Robertson, 1986
Michael Cooper, 1987
Michael Jordan, 1988
Gary Payton, 1996
Ron Artest, 2004
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