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    I Got Hops Extra Stout's Avatar
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    We pay road Taxes already. Did I say free roads? We don't need toll roads. Don't fall for the bull they are feeding. And we don't have to wait 20 years. TxDOT can redirect funding. People are just letting them walk all over the northsiders that live in the area.

    They could easily put in a rule that when the road cost is paid back the tolls cease. It's a double taxation.
    You appear to be impaired in reading comprehension skills. Yes, we already pay road taxes. However, they don't cover the full costs of the roads we need.

    I'll try to make it easier. Let's say you buy a 6-pack of beer a day for $6. However, in addition to your existing drinking, you decide you need to drink more, so you want to start getting two-six packs a day. You cannot go to H-E-B, plonk down $6, and use the argument "I already paid for beer" to go get two six-packs.

    Likewise, you cannot pay the same amount in taxes, or less actually as inflation chips away, and expect to get an ever-increasing network of roads in the state.

    And this "TXDOT can redirect funding" line sounds like you want a handout from the rest of the state's taxpayers. You did not have to pay for the Sam Houston Tollway or George Bush Turnpike, so neither should we have to pay for your new road. If you want existing taxes to pay for it, then wait your turn. If you want it now, build a toll road.

    Once the construction bonds are paid off, there are still costs associated with maintaining the road. If the bonds are 30 years in length, by the time they are paid off, if the tolls are kept constant, inflation will have reduced the cost by 70-80%, leaving an appropriate level of maintenance funding.

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    Injured Reserve Vashner's Avatar
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    You appear to be impaired in reading comprehension skills. Yes, we already pay road taxes. However, they don't cover the full costs of the roads we need.

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    Your talking about New roads. 281 is an existing paid for highway. I am talking about expanding it.

    You know what do you even ing live in the area? I have to live off of my service disability and can't afford the toll.

    Is it going to make you happy with me being forced to be a 2nd class citizen in the slow lane?

    And don't belive everything you read.. Txdot can cut programs to improve our road. We deserve it. It's an old road and has not had money spent on it in a while.

    It just seems like your reading talking points from Txdot and the pro toll people.

    Enjoy your toll roads.

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    I Got Hops Extra Stout's Avatar
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    Your talking about New roads. 281 is an existing paid for highway. I am talking about expanding it.

    You know what do you even ing live in the area? I have to live off of my service disability and can't afford the toll.

    Is it going to make you happy with me being forced to be a 2nd class citizen in the slow lane?

    And don't belive everything you read.. Txdot can cut programs to improve our road. We deserve it. It's an old road and has not had money spent on it in a while.

    It just seems like your reading talking points from Txdot and the pro toll people.

    Enjoy your toll roads.
    Expanding a road means new lanes that cost additional money to build and maintain.

    When I don't want to pay the toll, I stay on the service road. I do this all the time if I can afford the extra three or four minutes. I much prefer that to paying more at the pump. It doesn't make me feel like a second-class citizen. If it makes you feel that way, that's your problem. Being on disability doesn't mean you get to play the victim and look for a handout. If that's your game, feel free to vote for Democrats.

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    Welcome to the area, Buddy.
    Welcome to the hood
    Okay Buddy, before we give you the official gate code to the Stone Oak area you have to take "The Stone Oak Personality Assessment Test"... just to make sure you're Stone Oak material.

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    Okay Buddy, before we give you the official gate code to the Stone Oak area you have to take "The Stone Oak Personality Assessment Test"... just to make sure you're Stone Oak material.
    You failed to mention the mandatory Tahoe ownership.

    And another thing, until you've lived in Stone Oak for over two years, you are not allowed to drive on Stone Oak Parkway, Or Blanco from 1604 to Huebner.

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    The Dude Buddy Holly's Avatar
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    Vashner, buddy, listen up.

    The city, state, etc, can not toll the current lanes of 1604, the toll lanes for 1604 will be buit in the median,

    You do understand that, right?

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    Vashner, buddy, listen up.

    The city, state, etc, can not toll the current lanes of 1604, the toll lanes for 1604 will be buit in the median,

    You do understand that, right?
    I was just going to ask that. I always understood you will still be able to go on 1604 tollfree if you choose, correct?

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    The Dude Buddy Holly's Avatar
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    Yes, which makes all this whining stupid.

    The toll lanes will be for those who want to use them.

    However, the 281 toll road north of 1604 will be toll roads with free travel on the access/frontage roads.

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    The Dude Buddy Holly's Avatar
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    This is how 1604 will be set up:

    Current lanes remain free with the toll lanes beig byuilt in the median.


    281 north of 1604 will be set up like this:


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    Post more information about urban development I saiiiddd

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