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Didn't the Lakers easily win 4 straight to win the le that year against the "impressive" Sixers team?
One other question for you FWDT...
Forget the situations and the names involved...
Just looking at the numbers....which performance would you rather have if you were a coach?
Careful...your rep as a knowledgable fan is on the line.
7 points>>>>>1 assist(and the label of triple double).
Bird's steal against the Pistons has to be the best basketball play in playoff history. That was so amazing.
All other things equal, obviously Shaq's line is better. But the key element of the debate is whether a clinching Game 6 is more crucial than a Game 2.
It's arguable. I think it helps Shaq's case that (a) he's Shaq, (b) he was a Los Angeles Laker, and (c) it occurred in the middle of a three-Championship run.
Great... Now it's going to be in the top 10.
Nice going Jim.
So are you saying the 03 Nets were a better team than the 01 Sixers, laughing girl?
Shaq's performance came at home, after the Lakers had lost their only playoff game of that season.
And, FWIW, a common denominator in those performances was Mutombo -- though Deke only played 10 minutes in the 2003 game.
Whottt -- like I said, I don't dispute the absolute statistical superiority of Shaq's game. I'm certain that any coach would be glad to have either performance, but pushed to select one, would take Shaq's every time.
My argument, though, has everything to do with the fact that this list is about flash and dash more than it is about substance. And the flashier performance of the two might very well have been Duncan's because it was a triple-double that almost became a quad and not a double-double that nearly became either a triple or a quad. I'd be foolish to no end to claim that Duncan's performance was clearly superior in any true basketball sense. But I do think, given the cir stances attendant to those numbers, that Tim's was the greater "moment."
That Sixers team had, tied for the best record in the league, the MVP, the DPOY, the 6th man of the Year and the Coach of the Year....
Tell me the last time a team pulled off that quifecta(sic)...
Oh, and the video of Elliott's shot doesn't do it justice... One angle in slow motion? Where's the footwork?
Suns came close last season...and did they impress you in the Conference Finals, skeptic boy?
How can this be?
We had the best record in the league that year with 58 wins and the Sixers were tied with us for it..and in fact they lead the entire NBA wins for much of that season.
But **sigh.....thanks for reminding me of the good times Whottt. I do miss those days when people in this city actually believed in the Sixers and they were actually good.
Deke was the DPOY that year.
Um the Sixers were the only team to beat the Lakers in the playoffs that year...
Spurs had the best record in the league and got completely assraped and swept off their own home court by the Lakers by the largest average margin of defeat in NBA history...
So even if the Sixers weren't impressive, they looked like the 60's Celtics compared to our Spurs.
Point being...that Sixers Team was far superior to the Nets team that we played....in every concievable way.
He only played 10 minutes in 2003 -- as I said.
Game 2 Recap, 2001 Finals, nba.com
Maybe the NBA imagined that the game was in LA, too. The byline on the recap for that Game indicates that it was played in Los Angeles. Probably because the Lakers and Sixers each won 56 games that season and the Lakers held the tiebreaker, but that may just be my assumption.
2001 NBA Standings
Goddamnit
You KNOW Manu's shot would've been on here had he not ed it up w/ that foul on Dirk.
Would've been one of the greatest games in Spurs playoff history. DAMN
I had to vote for the "greatest game ever". That was such a crazy finish.
Amare's performance sure as did....
Nah...I just checked, Sixers only had 56 wins that year, serves me right for going by memory...but they did have the best record in the league for much of that year. I remember it being in LA now...
I also remember AI pretty much singlehandedly winning game 1 by himself in the 4th quarter and stunning the Staples Center faithful....
Still doesn't make Duncan's performance more impressive. The fact that the Sixers went in and took out an unbeaten playoff team on their own home court in the finals just bangs home(From way downtown) how much better the Sixers were than the Nets.
IIRC Deke was injured just about all of 2003 and his DPOY days were behind him...he was the DPOY the year the year Shaq did his near quad, and Shaq made Deke look like a kindergartener for much of that series.
Are you just arguing with yourself now? I mean, I don't dispute -- and never have, really -- that Shaq's was the more impressive statistical feat.
What I've said is that I think Duncan's was the better "moment" because of the cir stances. Hence my notation in the original post that Shaq's was Game 2 and evened that series, while Timmy's was Game 6 and clinched the series. You disagree with me about my take on those cir stances. Fair enough.
Well I am having a hard time finding a challenge...
What I've said is that I think Duncan's was the better "moment" because of the cir stances. Hence my notation in the original post that Shaq's was Game 2 and evened that series, while Timmy's was Game 6 and clinched the series. You disagree with me about my take on those cir stances. Fair enough.
And as I said initially...it is arguable that Duncan's moment was even the most memorable on his own team from that game...
Journeyman Stephen Jackson came on to hit big shot after big shot...
Back up PG Speedy Claxton came out of nowhere to knock down some big shots due to the struggles of Tony Parker...
Kevin Willis finally winning an NBA championship at the age of 40...I think becoming the oldest first time NBA champion in history...
And Drob, winning the final game of his NBA career in the NBA finals with a classic turn back the clock performance...
Lots of compe ion from that game..
Duncan din't score a single point in the 19-2 run that took us to the win in that game(although he did have about 4 assists)...but still...lots of memorable moments competing for the spotlight from that game and Duncan's was not exactly a standout, it is arguable if it was even the most memorable "moment" of that game.
I'm sure all of those moments are indelibly etched in the minds of Spurs fans.
But none of them, other than Duncan's transcendant play in that game, carry much weight with those who aren't Spurs fans. The closest is David's awesome conclusion, but the story of that game from a national and historical perspective was Duncan, Duncan, Duncan -- and rightly so.
I'm sure if DRob or the coyote would have put up that kind of stat line in a Finals clinching game, whottt would be trying to get it in the top ten.
You seem to have gotten your logic wires crossed FWDT old boy...the only thing memorable about Duncan's performance are the numbers...not the moment...since you have already discounted the numbers you have basically discounted your own argument...
And I'd argue that Duncan's near quad double is what is most remembered from the national and historical perspective....it's just the what was included on the list from that game...
But just in case you need a memory refresher...this national and historical perspective is the same one that has considered Duncan boring for his entire career...
And that national and historical perpective also deemed that series the most uninteresting finals in history based on ratings.
Since you claim to speak for the national and historical perspective, I think it's good that you were reminded of these facts....and I think you should be happy that Duncan's performance is even on the list at all with those factors taken into account...
Anything else you want to add? From the national and historical perspective I mean? Homer?
Hey...if you ask me it is in the top 3 ever...but I am a Spursfan.
I'm sure that if I hated Shaq with a passion that burns hotter than , I would also be trying to rate Duncan over him, homer that I am :major ingrolleyes
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