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Old man Woodward said props to Kori on the win.
I concour.
1. You always have to show 2 to take down a pot. We don't ever enforce that rule - and I get enough for enforcing other rules so I don't say - but it is a rule.
2. You are allowed to decilne a cut. Thats what the tap on top of the deck means, so I don't know wtf they were smoking there.
Old man Woodward said props to Kori on the win.
I concour.
Wikipedia says the cut is mandatory. Everytime I've been a formal setting the dealer is always the one dealing. I wonder if you're allowed to tap the deck and that counts as the cut. Cause if so, thats the same as declining to do it.
Thanks.
I tapped it. And he looked at me like I was crazy, so I said, "I decline to cut" and he said, "You aren't allowed to decline." So I took only 3 cards off the top and called that my cut.
He didn't like me at all though (he's the guy I beat in the final 2). The whole game he was telling me that I was doing stuff wrong when I wasn't. He got mad at one point because one of my hairs got on the table.
He's not the asshole that I was talking about in the beginning of this thread though.
This guy was SUPER SUPER LOUD and obnoxious. Kris and I were at the same table in the beginning and he was on our table. He thought he was ruling the roost. At one point, some girl was deciding if she was calling and he reached over and started counting her chips .. he wasn't even in the hand or anything. And he was talking really loud and always acting like he was dominating. At one point I beat him in a hand early on with a pair of Aces and he had Kings and he started trash talking me like he had figured out my game. So I said, "I just giving you warning right now, I'm not someone that you can bully around. So watch yourself later in the night." When I finally got him out later people were practically begging me to get him out. He tried some bullying tactic, so of course I didn't fold (I had KA and there was a K on the board).
Congrats on the win!
Thanks.
I tapped it. And he looked at me like I was crazy, so I said, "I decline to cut" and he said, "You aren't allowed to decline." So I took only 3 cards off the top and called that my cut.
He didn't like me at all though (he's the guy I beat in the final 2). The whole game he was telling me that I was doing stuff wrong when I wasn't. He got mad at one point because one of my hairs got on the table.
He's not the asshole that I was talking about in the beginning of this thread though.
This guy was SUPER SUPER LOUD and obnoxious. Kris and I were at the same table in the beginning and he was on our table. He thought he was ruling the roost. At one point, some girl was deciding if she was calling and he reached over and started counting her chips .. he wasn't even in the hand or anything. And he was talking really loud and always acting like he was dominating. At one point I beat him in a hand early on with a pair of Aces and he had Kings and he started trash talking me like he had figured out my game. So I said, "I just giving you warning right now, I'm not someone that you can bully around. So watch yourself later in the night." When I finally got him out later people were practically begging me to get him out. He tried some bullying tactic, so of course I didn't fold (I had KA and there was a K on the board).
That guy was stupid, but he thought he knew the world about poker. He was talking to me and he did end up taking me down, but I took solace in the fact that my better version was sitting two seats down from me. He got past me, but I knew he wasn't getting past Kori.
So wtf did you win? A box of nothing?
Next time someone talks , tell them what you have and take their chips. Then later on tell them what you have again, even if you don't have it, make them fold and then don't show.
They won't every talk to you again.
Congrats on whatever you won.
If there was a dealer (someone not playing) I don't know why there would be a cut at all (the dealer will cut it himself before distributing cards).
But yeah, you always have to show both cards to win a pot. Also, if you choose to much your hand on a showdown, and someone asks to see what you had, you have to show them (even if they weren't in the hand).
It was a player that was dealing. Not a set dealer.
$100 but they had to pay me later because this was the first barpoker event there at that bar and they had to get it retroactive or some crap.
So if you muck in a showdown, you have to show if someone asks?
I didn't know that.
Yes, that is correct. By calling on the end, your hand essentially becomes public doman, for lack of a better word. This is a practice that is coming more into use as more people start playing. In the "old days" you wouldn't have seen Doyle Brunson asking to see Amarillo Slim's hand when he was mucking as a matter of etiquette. Some places will just make it a rule that everyone must show their hand on the showdown to avoid the conflict that occassionally accompanies someone asking to see a mucked hand.
That's some bull , being forced to show your hand. I had never heard of that. It just seems wrong to me, for some reason.
re: the cut thing
I guess I've never noticed. When I deal, I never offer a cut - I guess a holdover from my dealing days. In fact, whenever I play with my friends a cut is never offered. I learned something new.
It's basically an extension of the "you got to pay to see them" philosophy. If you are in a showdown, by definition someone "paid to see" your hand, even if its a loser.
Now, it is really bad ettiquette to sit there and at every showdown ask to see each hand that is mucked. You can see it, but to abuse it is considered pretty ty.
Oh, I get that concept totally. However, I have been playing for a little while like at family gatherings, like that and that was just never the way it was done. So to me it just seems... I dunno. Shady isn't the word, but something along those lines. I guess it just seems too easy for the opponant or something, if that makes sense.
Yeah, like Manny said... to abuse it is considered very bad form. I will ask to see a hand every now and then though - especially if I call someone with a 2nd or 3rd best hand to "keep 'em honest" so to speak. If I win a hand that I wasn't necessary expecting to win, sometimes I need to know just WTF the other guy was doing.
Yeah that's why I would think too.
I just didn't know anyone could make you show if you mucked.
It is very useful if you play against someone and you are good at remember how they play certain hands. You can then match their play with posssible hands to narrow down what they may be holding. But really, unless you play a lot with a person it won't make much difference.
I disagree about it not making much difference Manny. Based on this kind of info it is easy to pin someone's playing type. The kind of guy who is going to represent trips to the end when he's playing the board - if I can get that info out early, I've got a huge advantage on him the rest of the game.
So do you guys (Manny/Scott) ask the mucker to show often?
I will use this rule to my advantage on some rare occasion. Thank you.
I pretty much agree with this. I've figured out some players just by looking at what cards they fold and when (when I'm out or being the all-time dealer). People try to mix up how they play but everyone is different about how far they'll stretch out a draw or what kind of bet will make them fold top pair, etc.
I'll be enforcing this rule at the next poker tourney. I knew it was the rule in Vegas but I didn't know that it'd fly in home games.
Everything the flys in Vegas flys in homegames.
I use it online a lot, but only becuase they automaticaly put it on the hand history files. So if I see a guy calling me down with bottom pair when I'm betting hard at him, I'll be less likely to slow down and I'll play it fast as because I know he's likely to call with a hand I have beat.
I've never used it in a homegame though. I can usually narrow down a players ranges based on their betting patterns and how many flops they see. Betting pattern are the biggest source of information IMO.
But if you're new to a game, and you don't know anything about anyone, using the ruel as Scott said is a good way to get information about how loose someone is.
The only time you have to show your hand is when you're winning a pot that has not been folded. Correct?
Dude, if I bet and you fold, you ain't seeing .
There are other things to look at besides patterns, the best way is to mathematically eliminate the options that can beat you and decide on whether to take a chance or not, go with the percentage, most good players can ride a 2 5 offsuit and make it look like AK.
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