Adleman as Spurs O Coordinator

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Princeton offense is kind of like the triangle -- it's complicated, and it takes a ton of time to learn. If we're only going to use it occasionally, that's a tough sell.

The Argentinian flex has its roots in the princeton offense, we've run it before.

On offense, the main point of small ball was that it sent everyone but Tim out to the perimeter, and left Tim single covered inside most of the time. Tim was amazing out there against Dallas -- he put on a clinic.

Yeah, and we lost. You can lift Duncan to the top to draw his defender away from the paint and then let Manu, Parker, and Finley score all day.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah, and we lost. You can lift Duncan to the top to draw his defender away from the paint and then let Manu, Parker, and Finley score all day.

They are not exactly low post players. An example of a guard who excelled in that system would be Bonzi Wells.

You need certain mismatches to make the Princeton work. The reason Duncan wouldn't work is because no one is afraid of his outside shot, so no big would have to follow him out to the top of the key. This makes the Princeton fail if Duncan were to run it.

The reason it works with Brad Miller is a) he is an excellent passer and b) he has an outside shot the opposing big must respect.



This is getting tiring and I'm over it. As long as you have Duncan, there will be no Princeton.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You need certain mismatches to make the Princeton work. The reason Duncan wouldn't work is because no one is afraid of his outside shot, so no big would have to follow him out to the top of the key.

It doesn't have to be a true Princeton. Again, the Spurs have run the flex as part of their offense for the last two years, and I didn't see Duncan raining down three pointers.

Even before Adelman hired Pete Carroll, he always had great offenses. That's just what he's good at. He is to offense what Pop usually is (outside of small ball) to defense.

[strangeweather]

The Argentinian flex has its roots in the princeton offense, we've run it before.

And the Flex works pretty well for us, though it would work better for us if Duncan's jumper from the high post was more consistent. I just have trouble seeing the advantage of bringing in something a lot more complicated like the Princeton, and having a guy like Adelman try to spin off simpler variants of it.

Yeah, and we lost. You can lift Duncan to the top to draw his defender away from the paint and then let Manu, Parker, and Finley score all day.

Yes, we lost. But if you're arguing that one of the keys to the loss was our inability to get points off the drive, you're going to need to explain further, because I'm not following you.

[TheSanityAnnex]

My brain is all princetoned out.

Adelman will not come to Spurs as an assistant.
Duncan is the last guy in the league you'd want running the Princeton with how well he performs in the low post.

End of story.


Please send any more comments to my secretary MelMart1.

[picnroll]

They are not exactly low post players. An example of a guard who excelled in that system would be Bonzi Wells.

You need certain mismatches to make the Princeton work. The reason Duncan wouldn't work is because no one is afraid of his outside shot, so no big would have to follow him out to the top of the key. This makes the Princeton fail if Duncan were to run it.

The reason it works with Brad Miller is a) he is an excellent passer and b) he has an outside shot the opposing big must respect.



This is getting tiring and I'm over it. As long as you have Duncan, there will be no Princeton.

Not than I'm fan of the Princeton offense orwould want the Spurs to run it but didpeople fear Vlade's outside shot?

[DirkAB]

Using Duncan in the Princeton would be absolutely re ed, you would be taking away the biggest stregnth of his game, his post moves. The dude has the best footwork in the game, it makes him as tough as anybody in the game to guard when his back is to the basket. To put him in a system that would have him facing up 95% of the game is beyond stupidity.

[DirkAB]

Not than I'm fan of the Princeton offense orwould want the Spurs to run it but didpeople fear Vlade's outside shot?

Are you kidding? For a center Vlade had a great shot from 15 ft. on out.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not than I'm fan of the Princeton offense orwould want the Spurs to run it but didpeople fear Vlade's outside shot?

Yes. That is why he gave Shaq problems.

[picnroll]

Didn't know that. Tome he seemed a streaky outside shooter. Never liked the Princeton because it inverted you getting back on D.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Didn't know that. Tome he seemed a streaky outside shooter. Never liked the Princeton because it inverted you getting back on D.

That probably helped the Kings because Vlade was slow as .

[Fabbs]

No, I want Adelman to come in and add to our offense. We've already got some good play sets in place, but more diversity wouldn't hurt anything.

I never said I wanted to permanently move Duncan to the high post, just responded to the question of which big man would pass the ball in those types of sets.

THe Spurs already run some flex cut sets where Duncan in the high post, and if you were paying attention this season you would know that. I guess Pop is a dumb too for running some of those play sets already

Exactly. As if by bringing in Adleman he would have to run the exact same offense as in Sactown. The point is to add ball movement and divercity. Blockheads who are stuck in "4 Down forever" just don't get it.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

To put him in a system that would have him facing up 95% of the game is beyond stupidity.

Beyond stupidity is sucking so bad at reading comprehension you can't figure out that no one is saying run the Princeton offense 100% of the time.

I really don't know how many more ways there is to say it. Bringing in Adelman would be a move to add to and enhance our offensive playbook, not scrap what we have and go to the Sacto offense 100% of the time.

[SPARKY]

Spurs need to put Duncan where AHF believes he can best be utilized:

[SPARKY]

Anyways, the reason the Spurs are out of the playoffs was their defense, not their offense. I'm still not sure why AHF is on a jihad to stop the Spurs from putting the league's best post player in the post. Pretty stupid. But it's AHF so what can you do?

[Mavschick]

Bobcats GM/coach Bernie Bickerstaff is under contract through '08-'09 but I bet he gives up the coaching job after this season because CHA will eventually want to find a coach who could take them beyond the expansion-team stage of development. Adelman might be intrigued because the Bobcats have a young-Mike Bibby-like highly intelligent PG in Felton, a young-Chris Webber-like good rebounding and shot-blocking big man in Emeka (although he has a ways to go if he wants to acquire Webbers' shooting range and variety of post moves), a young-Divac-like C with good shooting range in Brezec, a young-Doug-Christie-like athletic swingman in G. Wallace, and a nice assortment of young and hungry role players. Adelman might be able to successfully install his Princeton offence in CHA because the majority of the players on the roster are intelligent and athletic. Another consistent long-range shooter acquired via the draft or FA to fill a swingman spot and CHA could have all the ingredients with which Adelman could whip into an offensive juggernaut.

[Trainwreck2100]

Adleman as Spurs O Coordinator

Right after they hire a passing coach, you ers really can't wait till football season can you.

[RON ARTEST]

Bobcats GM/coach Bernie Bickerstaff is under contract through '08-'09 but I bet he gives up the coaching job after this season because CHA will eventually want to find a coach who could take them beyond the expansion-team stage of development. Adelman might be intrigued because the Bobcats have a young-Mike Bibby-like highly intelligent PG in Felton, a young-Chris Webber-like good rebounding and shot-blocking big man in Emeka (although he has a ways to go if he wants to acquire Webbers' shooting range and variety of post moves), a young-Divac-like C with good shooting range in Brezec, a young-Doug-Christie-like athletic swingman in G. Wallace, and a nice assortment of young and hungry role players. Adelman might be able to successfully install his Princeton offence in CHA because the majority of the players on the roster are intelligent and athletic. Another consistent long-range shooter acquired via the draft or FA to fill a swingman spot and CHA could have all the ingredients with which Adelman could whip into an offensive juggernaut.

i doubt he would go to a team that young and bad.

[RON ARTEST]

There's an old guy who has been on Sac's bench for several years, who invented the Princeton offense when we was coach at .... Princeton:

http://www.nba.com/coachfile/pete_ca....html?nav=page

I wonder if Pete will stick around with Geoff Petrie now that Adelman is gone. I think Pete was brought in as Geoff's choice for asst coach more than Rick's.

no pete said hes going back to new jersey with his family. if he coaches somewhere he said it would be in the east coast.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm still not sure why AHF is on a jihad to stop the Spurs from putting the league's best post player in the post. Pretty stupid. But it's AHF so what can you do?

Hey, Pop's the one who said we need to embrace small ball, I'm just going with the flow.

[SPARKY]

"Small ball" doesn't preclude going to TD in the post. The Spurs problems this offseason were due to the lack of a big alongside TD who could play out on the floor.

Self-inflicted.

[DirkAB]

Beyond stupidity is sucking so bad at reading comprehension you can't figure out that no one is saying run the Princeton offense 100% of the time.

I really don't know how many more ways there is to say it. Bringing in Adelman would be a move to add to and enhance our offensive playbook, not scrap what we have and go to the Sacto offense 100% of the time.

Well, as somebody else already pointed out earlier in this thread, specifically to you, the Princeton offense isn't just an offense that you add to your playbook. It is the offense you base your whole system around, if you run it, you run it virtually all the time. You can't just add it as an offensive set that you run when it is convenient. It is a very complicated system that takes a long time for players to adapt to, and that is when they play it full-time. It would be more than counterproductive to try and bring it in on a part-time system, it would never work.

So you should go back and read the thread again before you point fingers at anybody for a lack of comprehension. Stupid .