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Actually the poster who brought MJ up was talking about perception.
Even MJ? Seems like somewhere on this thread I read he wasn't a team player...but I think he passed to open teammates.
Actually the poster who brought MJ up was talking about perception.
Gee, when he's setting screens and allowing Tony to get to the basket and dish to someone else, he's not doing right?
You want a perfect example of why Dallas ball isn't team ball? Weren't they close to the bottom is APG?
Assists isn't indicative necessarily to team ball. The Mavs offense is dependent on Iso's all over the court, few assists are needed when you have talent all over the court. We depend on swinging the ball after a double team to find an open man, if no double team occurs in the Iso we score. It's still team ball, it's hard not to call it team ball when you have 6 guys who averaged double figures through the season.
Not to split hairs, but there's roughly a 2-3 APG difference between SA and Dallas. Not exactly an astounding difference.
All I'm saying is the Spurs don't have to be majorly dependent on Tim on the offense the way Dallas is with Dirk or the Suns and Amare.
For instance, arguably the only bad game Dirk has had came a few nights back. He was like 3/12 from the field and had like 11 points or something. Dallas got BLOWN OUT. Tim in Game 1 versus the Kings scored 15 (or was it something lower?) points and the Spurs totally annihiliated the Kings. Tim can create offense through seperation and spacing for everyone else. Dirk can't do that.
Both players haven't won any hardware and they're already talking about Hall of Fame. What are these guys smoking??
I don't want to hate, I mean the Mavs did get past us but Dirk has been in the league for eight years, and thus far I've never thought of him as a HOF player, maybe it's just me...
Dirk is definitely HOF material! The guy is tough as nails! When you think about it honestly, you know it too. He is one player evey team worries about!
this season will have put dirk in the HoF it seems
You really wanna know how many hall of famers have never won a ring? Let's look at the latest guy inducted, Barkley...then there's Alex English, Dominique 'the human highlight" Dawkins, GEORGE 'the iceman" GERVIN, you know the SPUR!!!...shall I go on?
Yes, maybe it IS just you...
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There's a strong buzz of excitement surrounding the NBA Finals, which is a drastic change from last season. Last year's Pistons-Spurs series was greeted with a yawn and a shrug by most basketball enthusiasts, but this year, even the casual fan is going to be tuned in when the opening tip goes up Thursday night.
We've got superstars, drama and a virtual toss-up of a matchup.
Here are 10 clear reasons the NBA Finals are going to be a blast. Feel free to use these, Letterman.
1. Shaq's Circus
The Finals have lacked Shaquille O'Neal's flair and been forced to rely on Rasheed Wallace for any e. Now that he's back on stage, expect entertainment in the form of word play, proclamations and some reflection as he grows into an aging star.
He's the top human interest story because of his evolution over the past season, taking a backseat to a younger star in order to conserve his energy for this moment.
Because of how charismatic he is and how he relishes entertaining on the big stage, this should be quite the show.
2. Fueling the hype
What's a championship series without some juice? The league gets two top-notch promoters with O'Neal and Dallas owner Mark Cuban in the same series.
"It's all marketing. He understands marketing, and I understand marketing. So I don't let that get to me," O'Neal said of being taunted by Cuban as Shaq Albert, in reference to Bill Cosby's cartoon creation Fat Albert. "Cuban's one of my idols when it comes to business. Great guy. Got nothing bad to say about him."
That tune may change if Cuban finds something wrong with O'Neal's brute force around the basket and sends the league a videotape in protest. Cuban has managed to draw the ire of Tim Duncan, Mike D'Antoni, Shawn Marion and all of San Antonio thus far.
O'Neal: "He's one of the reasons it's going to be a great, great, classic Finals."
3. D-Wade
Can he win a ring before LeBron? Doing so would be key for Wade in the chase for being basketball's next icon. The rivalry between the two hasn't really started yet, but the likelihood of there being two better candidates for the throne once held by Michael Jordan isn't good.
It's not an unfriendly rivalry. James and Wade root for one another, but the fact is that the league's popularity contest comes down to them these days. Wade is the kind of guy who rises to meet every challenge and seems to excel in the spotlight, so sit back and watch him captivate the nation.
You know a few shots are set to go into the NBA time capsule.
4. Dirk
What more can you say about Dirk Nowitzki arriving as an NBA mega-star? He's got David Hasselhoff back in the American spotlight and the Last Center Left is giving him props.
"He's where the big-man game will be in four or five years," O'Neal said of Nowitzki. "When you talk about big men, it will be whether guys can play like Dirk or not -- stepping out, shooting the 3 with a mid-range game and a low-post game. He's the future. I'm actually going to let my kids watch his game."
That's pretty high praise, and proof that Nowitzki is the No. 1 target of the Heat, who will play him with Udonis Haslem first and see how that goes. Pat Riley is going to have to find ways to keep him from getting comfortable, while Dirk has to make sure he remains aggressive in going to the rim.
3 time world champs
Actually, you have the Spurs fans part right, but the Mavs fans is more like: We beat the Spurs! Western Conference champs! Scoreboard! Our ONE championship is better than your THREE! (*)
(*) Yes, they already feel as though they've won it all - multiple times.
If the pay was decent, I promise I'd take some of those sports journalism jobs. What a weak assertion, very misguiding and ignorant. Showed that the idiot owner of that baseless take did not watch last year's playoffs or Finals.
Dirk made a big leap this year. If he had never gotten any better than he had been the previous 2-3 years, he's an All-Star, but not HoF material. I don't see guys like Ray Allen or Jermaine O'Neal going to the Hall, and Dirk hadn't really separated himself up until now.
This year, he made a great case for the Hall. If he stays at this level and plays out his career, he goes.
That's just dumb...Even without Duncan the Spurs have a pretty good team with Parker, Ginobilli, Finley and Bowen. I think fans on both sides(as evidenced in this thread) shortchange both teams. Mavs fans-just because we beat the Spurs this year doesn't mean we're lightyears ahead of them. They'll make moves to shore up their bench and be back challenging for the top spot in the West. As long as they have Duncan they'll always be le contenders. Spurs fans-we made the step to finally be able to compete with the best and got over the hump by beating the Spurs(in probably the best and closest series that I can remember). We beat the teams with the 1st, 3rd and 4th best records in the West to reach the finals. Out of all the teams I think we had the toughest road to the finals(vice-versa if the Spurs had won, they would of had the same). Honestly, I don't understand why it's so hard to give credit to both teams for being very, very good.
Early in his career, MJ wasn't necessarily a great team player, and had trouble trusting the guys around him and playing within a system. He got a lot better at it as he matured, and was playing great team ball by the time he was winning les.
"People", meaning, everyone who is not a Pistons or Spurs fans. I don't know why it was so hard for the fans of these teams to realize that last years finals were pretty damn boring, as the ratings proved.
But I must say, the Spurs team of this year was much more exciting to watch.
And to the original poster, give it up already. You lost. Stop ing and enjoy fishing.
Since when is it a bad thing to rely on your franchise player? He's your money man, the guy your paying all those millions for, you might as well rely on him. And I don't think the Suns rely more on Amare, they rely on Nash more than anything. Last time I checked he was a two-time MVP, and the Suns won't be going anywhere without him, just like the Mavs wouldn't go anywhere without Dirk. Every team relys on their superstars and I don't think the Spurs have to feel bad for relying on Tim. He torched the whole Mavs team, noone could stop him and noone could stop Dirk. That is what superstars are there for.
MJ once led the league in assists.
This is just giving the Spurs and Pistons a chance to wade in the water and not be noticed next season, and come playoff time they can comeout and reak havoc. I don't know about the Spurs, but the Pistons play much better in the playoffs when they "shouldn't" win.
Still can't believe we'll have to hear this though. It's the (much better) San Antonio Spurs vs the NBA Champion Dallas Mavericks, or it's the (much better) Detroit Pistons vs the NBA Champion Miami Heat.
Man, even after your team stunk it up all playoffs you still think you're better than Miami and Dallas. As witnessed by the series Dallas and San Antonio are pretty evenly matched. I think it's pretty clear from your series that Miami is by far the better team. I can understand San Antonio fans who think they could have won this year because a bounce here or a break there it could have changed the outcome. But Detroit gets taken to 7 games by Cleveland and then gets dominated by Miami...yeah you've proved you're the better team.This is just giving the Spurs and Pistons a chance to wade in the water and not be noticed next season, and come playoff time they can comeout and reak havoc. I don't know about the Spurs, but the Pistons play much better in the playoffs when they "shouldn't" win.
SPURS: we beat mavs many times....bla bla bla hahaha!
MAVS: we beat spurs bla bla bla ( just only once.. hahahha)
Dallas has accomplished nothing in it's franchise until now. yeah I think Detroit is the better team except they didn't play better. I gaurantee you majority of people would think Detroit is better than Miami and Dallas, but they just played bad in the playoffs. Except for maybe you Maverick trolls.
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