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    Howard was drafted in 2003 -- he wasn't part of the Rose-Nazr trade.

    Right, re-read what SPARKY is saying.
    The worst trade by the Spurs in the Tim Duncan era. Second is trading away their pick when Barbosa and Howard were available in '03.
    He's saying trading Malik was worse than giving away the pick that would have landed Howard.

    That's just wrong. Not only am I not convinced trading Malik was wrong, but even it it was wrong, it certainly was not worse than missing out on the Maverick's second/third leading scorer! (the ppg between Terry and Howard are miniscule)

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    Great, so instead of overpaying a player whose skill set they could've used, they didn't have what they needed.

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    rose on the team doesn't mean we beat dallas, sorry.

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    Great, so instead of overpaying a player whose skill set they could've used, they didn't have what they needed.
    OK, you have to prove to me that not trading Malik:

    1. Wouldn't have cost us the 2005 Championship.

    2. Would have guaranteed at 2006 Championship (remember, we would face the Heat even if we beat the Mavs, with Rasho and Rose. Not inspiring.)

    3. After you do that, you still have to explain why you think Howard would not be better than Malik, since you claim the Malik trade is worse.

    Good luck.

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    rose on the team doesn't mean we beat dallas, sorry.
    It has before.

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    Dallas has changed. For one thing they got this great new player late in the Draft... what was his name? Oh, yeah, Josh Howard.

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    not with your great overrated aj on as coach it has not
    with don no d at all yes

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    As for Perry Mason,

    1. Mohammed as key factor in the '05 le run is the greatest urban legend in this forum. All he did was keep the spot warm until Horry entered the game.

    2. Mohammed is worse at guarding Shaq than Radoslav and Rose.

    3. Rose on that team gets them by the Mavs with Howard.

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    As for Perry Mason,

    1. Mohammed as key factor in the '05 le run is the greatest urban legend in this forum. All he did was keep the spot warm until Horry entered the game. 2. Mohammed is worse at guarding Shaq than Radoslav and Rose.
    Then how come we lost in 2004 with Rose? All I know are the facts, we lost in 2004 with Rose, and won in 2005 with Nazr. Go ahead and post their comparitive stats, I'm really curious if you can back up Rose > Nazr.

    3. Rose on that team gets them by the Mavs with Howard.
    Even if it's true, Spurs with Howard > Mavs without Howard.

    I'd rather ditch Rose and Keep Howard, as long as we are playing "Make-a-wish".

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    2. Pop gave Horry heavy minutes instead of Rose in that series despite going up against one of the most physical frontlines in NBA history. Pop doesn't make mistakes, right?

    3. At least this season, giving up Rose trumps passing on Howard.

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    As for Perry Mason,

    1. Mohammed as key factor in the '05 le run is the greatest urban legend in this forum. All he did was keep the spot warm until Horry entered the game.

    2. Mohammed is worse at guarding Shaq than Radoslav and Rose.

    3. Rose on that team gets them by the Mavs with Howard.
    1. Mohammed was huge during the Phx series, and had a couple big games spread out through the playoffs. I still cant remember a big game from Rasho.

    2. Because we all saw what happened in 04 when we had Rasho and Rose guarding Shaq

    3. Spurs without Rose get by the Mavs and Heat, if Manu's shot or Tim's tip fall.

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    I can't believe MB still hasn't gotten over Rose. Rose isn't that good. Get over it. He wasn't worth the money. Rose can't even play a significant role on the last place Knicks.

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    As for Perry Mason,

    1. Mohammed as key factor in the '05 le run is the greatest urban legend in this forum. All he did was keep the spot warm until Horry entered the game.

    2. Mohammed is worse at guarding Shaq than Radoslav and Rose.

    3. Rose on that team gets them by the Mavs with Howard.


    make more free throws
    no foul wih 22 seconds left in game different outcome maybe
    = spurs get by mavs

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    2. Pop gave Horry heavy minutes instead of Rose in that series despite going up against one of the most physical frontlines in NBA history. Pop doesn't make mistakes, right?
    Huh? So, why wouldn't Pop play Horry instead of Rose against the Mavs?

    If Pop's not going to play Rose, it's even more reason to trade him.

    3. At least this season, giving up Rose trumps passing on Howard.
    I honestly don't know how you can say this. Why would you want an overpaid, undersized player like Rose, when you could have a rising star like Howard?

    Plus, it means Dallas doesn't have Howard... that's like a 20 pt swing in SA's favor!

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    Right, re-read what SPARKY is saying.

    He's saying trading Malik was worse than giving away the pick that would have landed Howard.
    Sorry, I misread your comment.

    That's just wrong. Not only am I not convinced trading Malik was wrong, but even it it was wrong, it certainly was not worse than missing out on the Maverick's second/third leading scorer! (the ppg between Terry and Howard are miniscule)
    I agree about the Malik trade.

    I think draft stuff is usually a crapshoot -- clearly in hindsight, we'd like a do-over, but every team on the league has missed calls at the draft. For example, not even the Spurs knew at the time that Tony would blow up like he did, but in hindsight, there's an awful lot of teams that wish they'd snagged him up before we did. In a redraft, he's definitely a top-10 pick, and might be in the top 5.

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    I just blame the FO for not picking up Chuck Hayes - the young Malik Rose without the 30 pounds to lose - for 20 times less money.

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    1. Mohammed was huge during the Phx series, and had a couple big games spread out through the playoffs. I still cant remember a big game from Rasho.
    Maybe 2 games, if that. As if Rose couldn't come up huge against the Suns.

    2. Because we all saw what happened in 04 when we had Rasho and Rose guarding Shaq
    Rose saw all of 27 minutes in that entire series. Pop went against the most physical frontline of the last ten years with Horry seeing major minutes.


    3. Spurs without Rose get by the Mavs and Heat, if Manu's shot or Tim's tip fall.
    Spurs are not in a position to fail if those things don't happen.

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    Rose hasn't shown that same energy and heart since he got his huge contract. Once he got his huge contract, he thought everytime he got the ball, he had a green flag to shoot.

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    what did the great larry brown overrated hall of fame coach do with rose this year
    that is right bench him

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    rose
    2005-06 NY 72 15.5 1.5 3.9 37.4 0.0 0.0 100.0 1.5 1.9 78.1 1.2 2.4 3.6 0.9 1.1 0.6 0.2 2.0 4.4

    worse career year
    yeah spurs needed him this year he played his worse this past year!

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    Rose hasn't shown that same energy and heart since he got his huge contract. Once he got his huge contract, he thought everytime he got the ball, he had a green flag to shoot.
    Malik Rose signed that contract in 2002 and promptly had his best season as a pro in 2002-03 including an impressive playoff performance.

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    Larry Brown is not overrated.... are you on crack? man has rings.

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    man has one ring and pistons had to trade for sheed for him to get that one


    flip saunders would have had more wins then larry brown with new york and 1000 less starting lineups to

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    Let's just leave Rose alone people, He's gone now and won't ever be a Spur again! GET OVER IT ALREADY DAMN! Giving up Rose to get a champion ship was well worth him and two picks IMO. Picks come and go every year, every team can close their eyes and run their fingers down their draft list and choose. It's a hit or miss gamble. Hey there are some worthless picks in the top 10 in years past drafts, and some gems in the later rounds. The Spurs have a slew of picks overseas so what's the problem?

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    Malik Rose signed that contract in 2002 and promptly had his best season as a pro in 2002-03 including an impressive playoff performance.
    Wow, followed up by 2 years of underachieving. You don't get in Pops doghouse for no reason at all.

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