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We wouldn't have had a center in last year's playoffs without this trade. Nesterovic was hurt.
If Mohammed walks, as expected, then the Spurs will have given up a proven backup big and one ideal for "small ball" as well as two 1st round picks for a year's lease of Mohammed. Of course, the Spurs won't be done. They'll need to add at least one big this summer to make up for the loss of Mohammed. Ideally, they find a big who can defend the perimeter and do well in an up and down game.
If they cannot find a big who could play in the open court game like Rose, then no amount of payroll reduction can justify the trade. Add to that two 1st round picks which could've addressed current needs at other positions. Two 1st round picks in the hands of one of the best scouting departments, if not the best, in the NBA.
The worst trade by the Spurs in the Tim Duncan era. Second is trading away their pick when Barbosa and Howard were available in '03.
I'm glad we have Payroll Savings or whatever to cheer for in this year's Finals.
We wouldn't have had a center in last year's playoffs without this trade. Nesterovic was hurt.
I think missing out on Howard was worse...
Malik was not worth the money. The two draft picks are costly, sure...
Here's a interesting question: Would Spurs have won in 2005 without Mohammed?
You know, if we had beaten the Mavs, this whole point would be moot. 30 seconds to victory, and Spurs fans act like we screwed up everything by trading Malik?!?
Get Over It
Maybe his pride was hurt, but otherwise he was fine.
question if rasho left to with rose would that made you feel better MB
who predicted small ball would be here now?
scola is alot like rose
scola is cheaper then rose
if you owned the team who do you keep?
How much would it have been worth to see the Spurs advance in this playoffs? Now you have to go out and spend money to replace what you gave up. The delta isn't Rose's full salary. It's considerably less. I'm glad we have that to cheer on starting tomorrow night.
Yes. Nesterovic could've been the placeholder until Horry entered the games.Here's a interesting question: Would Spurs have won in 2005 without Mohammed?
Instead of.
thomas wanted both not just rasho
I'm not convinced.
Winning the Championship last year was worth trading Malik and 2 picks for Nazr.
I'm also not convinced Malik would have won the series this year, although obviously anything he gave would be better than having Rasho and Nazr sit on the bench.
Of course, if we drafted Howard...
to bad larry brown is leaving he likes pop maybe he could get thomas to take rasho
I'm just impressed Isiah got two picks out of the deal. That actually seems somewhat savvy.
javotskas is cheaper then rose to
Remember that the Spurs 1st rounders aren't worth as much as a lot of teams' picks, because it's pretty safe to assume they're going to be in the 25-30 range.
Bottom line, Josh Howard > Malik, Rasho and probably any draft picks.
So, that trade was worse.
Without Nazr we don't win the Championship last year, even if we had Rose this year, the Heat probably would have Own3d us with Rasho as our only big man
Shaq would've fouled out Nazr in fewer minutes.
Those picks are worth plenty in the hands of the Spurs' player-personnel staff.
Howard was drafted in 2003 -- he wasn't part of the Rose-Nazr trade.
Agreed, most of the time. But so are 2nd rounders, for that matter.
As a counterpoint, remember that they could be worth Beno x 2, though.
Rasho and Malik would be in foul trouble before the game even started
Exactly and Thank You!!!!!!!
Someone has finally reiterated what I'm on record as claiming for some time in this forum.
Failing to draft the 2003 ACC College Player of the Year, in Howard, was a collossal blunder. The timing of this blunder is only compounded because of a couple of other scenarios that had either already taken place or would likely have occurred during that fateful summer of 2003.
1. Stephen Jackson had just turned down the Spurs contract offer and was "heading out the door" and would eventually sign with Atlanta.
2. The Spurs were " -bent" on angling to bring in Jason Kidd. Kidd, while obviously a very talented, yet very expensive PG (90 mil), was something the Spurs didn't need. Since NJ made it clear they were going to do everything to resign Kidd or get compensation in return, you have to believe any type of S&T would have likely cost the Spurs either Manu, TP or both. How'd that one turn out?
3. Howard would have been THE ideal replacement for Jackson and he would absolutely been the answer to the ongoing search for the "athletic, defensive-minded, swingman" that many of us (and the Spurs) have long desired.
4. Having Howard in the silver and black could have possibly altered the balance of what transpired during the Spurs/Mavs series. Can you imagine the Spurs having both Howard and Finley, rather than Barry and Finley?
As brilliant as the Spurs brass have been in identifying international talent, they "screwed the pooch" on this one. Now we will all get to sit back and watch this guy become a star on a rival team within our division. Make no mistake, this guy IS on his way to becoming a star in this league.
The bottom line is the Spurs would have been better off investing in Josh Howard than gambling on any other player they've acquired or had interest in since Manu.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 06-07-2006 at 03:20 PM.
cry already... whats done is done.
It saved money.
The Spurs are a business and, even as Moneybags Cuban has done, they got rid of a player not worth the money he was being paid.
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