He may not score, but I don't think we would get outrebounded again any time soon.
And woe be to the poor bas who manages to get past Bowen and has to try to navigate between Scylla and Charybdis inside to get to the basket.
Good times.
There's no scenario in which we put together a package and Detroit says "Wow, that's even value for Ben Wallace." Not going to happen.
But when DA left to Portland, we took Steve Smith to do the sign and trade, because it meant we at least got something.
If Wallace wants to resign with the Pistons, he will. If he doesn't, I expect Dumars will take what he can get.
It might be something more like Barry + Williams + a pick, depending on how the salaries work out.
Plus he would dunk the out of everybody with alley-oops.
I'd take Manu, Nazr, and a 1st round pick. If Ben Wallace won't go to the Spurs for that deal, or the Spurs won't give him up, I'd tell Big Ben he can sign for the Mid-Level Exception.
He feeds off of double-teams and what is going to be the natural reaction to Tim Duncan and Tony Parker? He can run the floor. He can switch on the pick-and-pop. Quite Frankly, he is everything the Spurs are missing.
Understandable.
I suspect Joe may be more pragmatic than you are, though I could be wrong.
That deal would be close to if not a max deal ... does Ben really think he's gonna get it?
I would rather get wade when he is fa then ben
I doubt the Spurs are going to throw max money at him, but they will throw like 3 years and 28 million at him, you can believe that.
Not to be stupid, but how much is max money?
Isn't it something like 7 years and 76 million or something? I'm not entirely sure...but I know it's more than 15 million a season.
that sounds about right.
Costs.
but you get what you pay for.
and the man has a family to feed.
Now, if Ben can just find a way in his heart to live with that offer.
I know he won 1 ring already, but he would know that he is on a team that is the prohibitive favorite to win it all (with him at starting center is there much doubt that Spurs will win it all?- I can't see how they wouldn't win it all with him)..
He would be on his type of team.
I think that he would get along with everyone.
He is Pop's type of player.
Ben needs to use his head. The only team that's going to give him max money is a stupid team, and they will not be contending for in that case.
Timmy needs to call up Ben and have a chat with him. Because if Ben came here for 3 years, we'd have 3 more les.
pop players do not go to the media and bad mouth their bosses and tell them how to do their job
And he did sound pretty frustrated with Flip and how the Pistons didn't practice defense any more and their loss to the Heat couldn't have improved that feeling much.
And I blame Flip for the team's loss of defense and premature exit from the playoffs.
Exactly.
He doesn't want to go to a team like Atlanta or Toronto (oh yeah they got Rasho).
3 years with Spurs = 3 more rings.
I know what you are saying, ducks, but the defense on the Pistons was not nearly as good as last year and it was the same players. The difference was the coach.
Ben knew that Flip was the problem.
With Pop, Ben would know that was not the case.
And under LB, Ben didn't do this. And that was because LB taught defense.
As does Pop.
So, Ben spoke the truth.
Well, as someone mentioned earlier, keep in mind that Ben has won a ring already, and the two reasons free agents sign elsewhere are for rings and money, and he has the former.
I agree a lot with what Barkley has to say: you can't take a team of offensive minded players and expect them to all of a sudden play great defense.
If a player starts as an offensive minded player, it is rare that he suddenly develops the passion and the discipline and the study and the hard work and engages in the film watching sessions and reads the scouting reports in order to become a defensive stopper.
You can teach shooting (though not touch). You can teach footwork to a certain extent.
Defense is largely a character issue. And Ben has defense in abundance.
I know that you're right.
Maybe he will be interested in what Shaq is interested in "Legacy".
It is just hope. Don't extinguish my hope, please.
Pistons<Spurs,
what are the likely outcomes of Ben with the Pistons?
Actually the rest of the team and 'insiders' who routinely are at practices said that they actually practiced defense more under Flip than when LB or Carlisle was there. They said they really never practiced Defense when LB was there at all...."they just went out and did it" in game.
So basically Ben was full of it.
I believe he'll resign. I don't think he wants to go anywhere else.
My fear is that he now has a Drew Rosenhouse type of agent who is really pushing for big money.
I don't blame him for looking to se what offers are out there.but at the end of the day I expect he'll still be a Piston.
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