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they said it was only 5 minutes into the game... i cant imagine too much stuff going on in that time span... i could be wrong.
Yeah, under the right cir stance I can understand the initial swing by the black kid. If that guy had been swinging his elbows all game or been playing dirty, eventually you have to stand up for yourself. Of course there's better ways to go about that rather than punching someone in the face.
What isn't a question is you don't punch someone who is already face down on the court. A solid tackle or a good push would have done the job.
they said it was only 5 minutes into the game... i cant imagine too much stuff going on in that time span... i could be wrong.
and its the stuff that happened after he was knocked out cold that he should be prosecuted for.
Eh I wouldn't prosecute. It happened in a basketball game. Basketball is controlled chaos. A punishment by the team or even the school should be in order.
But taking him to court over basketball would be weak. Basketball is a rough game. If he didn't want to get knocked out, he shouldn't have been throwing elbows and pushing in the first place. Obviously the black kid was in the wrong by punching the other guy while he was down, but I don't believe it was a criminal act.
ya but there is a line you cannot cross and a line that if you cross you have to be held liable.
the kid crossed the line. you cant simply slap him on the wrist and say, it happened on the basketball court so its not 'that big a deal'
was that kid who elbowed that guy in the face down here a couple of years ago ever prosecuted?
very vague... but somebody should know of whom i speak.
Where do you draw the line? Should Kevin Willis have gone to jail when he elbowed Scott Williams in the face? Should the white guy have gone to jail for the elbows and pushing?
Kermit Washington wasn't even arrested or charged with anything and that was 1123122482932 times worse.
its a fine line.
but i'd say hitting on a kid when he is ing on the ground laid out is crossing it.
kevin willis or kermit washington didnt attack someone who was laid out already.
I know who you're talking about.
He was nearly killed wasn't he? I don't know if the guy was ever prosecuted or not though.
You've got to ing draw it somewhere. Should Marty McSorley not have been prosecuted for hitting Donald Brashear in the head? Controlled chaos my ass. Vicious attacks should not go unpunished.
Get scared by black people tonight at ten.
I agree that the punches once he was out are way out of line, but elbows aren't a laughing matter either. I've had to get s ches to the face because of an elbow in basketball and I've had some that have come close to breaking my nose. Not all of them were intentional but some were.
Everyone here who has played ball knows that some ers will throw elbows without regard and they can do as much if not more damage than a punch. So I can see why the black kid would throw a punch if he'd been dealing with a er throwing elbows and talking the whole game.
I know PDBM has been in a fight whlie playing ball, I know Kris has almsot been there, and I know I've almost been there but has LJ?
Yeah - he was actually put in jail for it. It wasn't a slap on the wrist by any stretch. I don't remember how long it was for, I want to say a few months. There was a news story on him.
I wasn't there, but I think LJ told me one time at Incarnate Word some guy kept throwing elbows or doing something agitating and LJ turned around with a roundhouse and nailed him in the mouth.I agree that the punches once he was out are way out of line, but elbows aren't a laughing matter either. I've had to get s ches to the face because of an elbow in basketball and I've had some that have come close to breaking my nose. Not all of them were intentional but some were.
Everyone here who has played ball knows that some ers will throw elbows without regard and they can do as much if not more damage than a punch. So I can see why the black kid would throw a punch if he'd been dealing with a er throwing elbows and talking the whole game.
I know PDBM has been in a fight whlie playing ball, I know Kris has almsot been there, and I know I've almost been there but has LJ?
LJ has gotten mad at me a very few amount of times for how much we have played. One wasn't that long ago at Trinity when he said I like semi-punched him on the face. I know I didn't punch him, but I think I did smack him pretty good on accident.
Another time was when we were a lot younger playing at his house. I had just watched a game with post men keeping other people out of paint and out of their comfort zone. I don't know if it was 1-1 or 2-2, but everytime he tried to get down low I would just bump him back out.
I now remember when some older guy at Concord elbowed him with precision on his face. The guy was super dirty and it was obviously on purpose just because of who it was and how it happened. I didn't see the play, but when I turned around it was just LJ getting off the floor checking his blood count. I should have just blindly charged the guy, but all I did was stand there.
I was going to tell those stories but forgot the details. I do know that after LJ took that elbow to the face at Concord, his face stayed swollen for a long long time. I think I remember in the Incarnate Word incident that the guy hit LJ first when LJ had his back to him. So LJ's punch was in retaliation. I'm not sure if that's correct though. He'll have to confirm when he gets online.
I do remember when you and my friend Will almost got into a fight at Trinity.
I haven't seen the video and I need to get ready for work, so I'll withhold comment until I actually watch.
I just wanted to step in and say something this morning.
Oh I've seen Kris "almost" fight (or at least scuffle) 100's of times.
Oh I've seen Kris "almost" fight (or at least scuffle) 100's of times.
Yeah, but Kris can "eff" somebody the "eff" up.
But he's still pretty calm and cool and it seems like it takes a lot to get him riled up. Kris is nothing but cool in my book, though. He gave me a lot of support with my career start while we talked briefly last weekend.
When I was coaching them in summer league two years ago, Kris got tossed from a game for throwing a punch when he didn't really throw one. It was just a minor scuffle gone bad. Too bad his mom and dad were there gleefully watching. His mom was mortified by the whole thing.
When I was coaching them in summer league two years ago, Kris got tossed from a game for throwing a punch when he didn't really throw one. It was just a minor scuffle gone bad. Too bad his mom and dad were there gleefully watching. His mom was mortified by the whole thing.
Yeah, it was cheap. The guy grabbed my arm and I jerked it out of his grip.
I threw a "punch" and had to leave the gym.
Yeah, but Kris can "eff" somebody the "eff" up.
But he's still pretty calm and cool and it seems like it takes a lot to get him riled up. Kris is nothing but cool in my book, though. He gave me a lot of support with my career start while we talked briefly last weekend.
Thanks Joe. Mirror. That's what I try to be with as many as I can.
Note to self: Do not set dirty picks on, or piss of in any way, Kris.
If someone like that is knocked out, it's probably a good idea to stop punching them in the head repeately.
The kid and his father were interviewed on CNN. The vid link is on the front page.
http://www.cnn.com/
Timvp's point (I think) was where do you draw the line of what is prosecutable and what is not?
Many fouls and hard fouls in the NBA would cons ute "assault". But you don't see players going around filing chargers. The only time I've seen charges being filed were in the Pacers/Pistons brawl...and that was because fans were involved.
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