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Probably has a lot to do with the one kid being black and the other white. I don't think anybody knows the specifics as to what happened, but this about painting the white kid to be totally innocent is bull .
(sorry if there's already a thread on this, i didn't see one in the top few threads)
What are your thoughts?
Why are people calling it a vicious attack? From the few one highlight shown in the video it's obvious the guy was throwing elbows. Coming up the floor he takes a shot at the black kids face...and the kid replies by knocking his ass out.
I would have done the same thing. What is up Chance's ass on this issue?
Probably has a lot to do with the one kid being black and the other white. I don't think anybody knows the specifics as to what happened, but this about painting the white kid to be totally innocent is bull .
Throwing elbows is one thing, hitting someone when their out is another. Still, if kid was throwing elbows and threw one at the other dudes face, getting knocked out will put an end to that. Not worth pressing charges over.
are you serious?? you would have done the same?? take some anger management classes then dude, you need help. The video showed nothing that would warrant that kind of reaction. That dumbass is just another punk kid that probably buys into the whole hip-hop macho bull . I bet he felt disrespected by the white kid pushing him and decided to protect his rep. I say no criminal charges, but ban him from playing basketball in any league for life. I bet that would hurt.
P.S. I'm not saying the white kid wasn't playing dirty, you really can't tell with what little they show, but whatever he was doing, couldn't have been bad enough to deserve that kind of beating.
I think the initial hit might have not been worth pressing charges over (I don't really believe that, but for arguments sake) but the punches that were thrown after the kid was cold certaintly are. If he had been able to do that for a couple more seconds the dude could have had permanent brain damage.
I can understand the white kid's dad being pissed...
But it was a retaliation. The white kid was obviously playing dirty, not just trying to get under the black guys skin but he was literally taking shots at his head. That's not "tough" defense, that's just asking for your ass to get kicked.
He should've stopped once the guy was knocked out...obviously that's not right and extremely dangerous. You can kill someone.
But that initial retaliation punch was called for. The guy wasn't just "throwing elbows" after a rebound like Dikembe and Malone do, he came up court and threw an elbow (without the ball being anywhere near them) at the black kids head.
Chancellor gets on my nerves. Dumbass tries to stir where there's just piss.
WTF? what video are you watching?? the one on CNN only shows a slight push. Give me a break!
I'm going off a 30 second clip.
What I saw was:
+White guy grabs rebound
+White guy swings elbow
+Black guy looks like he backs off and starts running upcourt
+White and black guy are running side by side
+Words seem to be exchanged
+White guy takes shot at black guys head
+Black guy takes shot back at white guy
The only difference is black guys connected better, and he should've stopped once white guy was on the floor.
Ya I would have done the same. In fact, I have done something similar. At UTSA this mexican kid kept elbowing me intentionally, finally i just gave him a little forearm shivver to the neck/face...only difference is my cousin and other people stepped in...in this case, people stood around as the black guy just went off on the white kid.
The one on WOAI.
I have to admit I admire how the dad handled the whole thing. I'm usually a hot head when it comes to my family, if anyone, and I mean anyone, I don't care how old they are, is beating on my brother or I imagine, my son, like that kid was beating him, I would pummel him till either he stops breathing or someone breaks us up.
I agree.
I'm not one to get pissed that easily, but in a situation like that...if you walk up and see your son unconcious, I would probably snap. You don't know if he's alive, you don't know anything at that point.
we're definately watching different clips then. I saw absolutely nothing of what you're talking about. Which isn't to say it didn't happen, but it sure as wasn't bad enough to warrant that kind of beating. If you think it did, you've got some serious issues.
Yes, yes, I have issues.
I'm not saying it warranted a pummeling. But a punch to knock him on his ass? I can't say I disagreed with that reply. In fact most people in any gym would have the same response. It's not about being macho, you just can't let someone take elbow shots to your head and sit there and not do anything.
there's where we don't agree. First of all, I did not see ANY elbow shot to the head. I'm watching the clip over and over again and I can't see any such thing. I know the white kid elbowed the black kid because he admits to it in the video, but to the head? and hard enough for the black kid to feel he had to knock the kid unconcious?
I disagree, I do think its about idiotic macho crap. You're trying to tell me that when it boils down to it, the black kid was just trying to stop the white kid from throwing elbows at his head? and knocking him out is the best you can come up with?? and you're telling me it ISN'T about macho crap? pfff... A normal well rounded kid would perhaps, I don't know, complain to the ref so that they keep a look out for another unwarranted elbow.
You're not listening.
Knocking him out isn't the right reply. But a nice smack upside the head was.Unfortunately he connected a little too well, and the kid got knocked out. Him continuing to go after him after that was just uncalled for.
You don't see the elbow he throws running upcourt?
I only saw it once, and it was quick...but it seems like they exchange words, and the white guy throws an elbow at the black kids head/shoulder area and the black knocks him out.
that was a push, not an elbow, and nowhere near hard enough to merit a punch to the face. Either way, it basically boils down to wether you think punching someone because of a game is acceptable behavior. Personally I don't.You're not listening.
Knocking him out isn't the right reply. But a nice smack upside the head was.
You don't see the elbow he throws running upcourt?
I only saw it once, and it was quick...but it seems like they exchange words, and the white guy throws an elbow at the black kids head/shoulder area and the black knocks him out.
seriously, watch it again, I've watched it plenty of times and I'm almost sure it was a slight push rather than a hard elbow to the head
I made a half-ass attempt to find it on Youtube or CNN.
No luck, so you guys are on your own.
Does this freeze for anyone else?
It's fine right up until he's about to grab the rebound. =/ I've tried it in Mozilla/AOL/IE.
The white kid pushes first, but I don't think anyone deserves to be beaten down unconscious on the basketball court.
By the way, it's already in this thread
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...7&page=1&pp=26
if you want to read more opinions.
I finally got the video to work.
Wow. First of all, it seems like the black kid initiates it with a little push. Nothing big, but more of a "watch your ing elbows" type. Then the white kid pushes back harder...which the black kid replies to with a punch and all out attack.
Out of line on the black kid's part. It's a lot different after seeing it 5 times.
I wish there was more video.
There has to be more to it than just this.
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