Hagee At It Again

[jochhejaam]

Your response is somewhat illogical, but rational.

Nothing like good old illogical rationalism.





By rational I meant you weren't blindly ranting and raving.
(lawyers, harmphh, always trying to pin ya down)

[FromWayDowntown]

Nothing like good old illogical rationalism.





By rational I meant you weren't blindly ranting and raving.
(lawyers, harmphh, always trying to pin ya down)

Again, I don't see the need for you to qualify your point, other than to make it clearer that you think my viewpoint is untenable. If you think that, just say it without hiding behind innuendo.

FWIW, all of your religious views are equally subjective, jochhejaam; but I don't see the need to cleverly suggest that a fundamental disagreement by dismissing your beliefs as subjective in responding to what you say. Perhaps that's because I'm willing to listen to and engage those whose viewpoints diverge from my own, particularly on matters of religion, because I know that there isn't an objective truth that I'm capable of knowing other than one that exists at the most fundamental level. It would be an incorrect statement on my part, therefore, to suggest that I think you might be wrong because, frankly, I don't know. I know what I believe, but my belief is not an objective truth; nobody's is.

My rant takes away from the point of the thread, but I thought it worthwhile to make the point here because it seems to be a growing trend in so many areas of social discourse these days -- there is a nearly-absolute unwillingness by some to listen to an opposing viewpoint without dismissing that viewpoint out of hand. It's highly unproductive.

[DarkReign]

My rant takes away from the point of the thread, but I thought it worthwhile to make the point here because it seems to be a growing trend in so many areas of social discourse these days -- there is a nearly-absolute unwillingness by some to listen to an opposing viewpoint without dismissing that viewpoint out of hand. It's highly unproductive.

QFT

Conform or Condemn. Religion or Politics.

[Trainwreck2100]

Another great judgement call. I congratulate you. I assume you attend
all his sermons then. Or do you just listen on the radio. Just wondering.
Or is it that m a y b e you are just a little jealous of his fame. Naw, it
couldn't be that. You are too big a person for that. Right?

I would not want to be famous the way he is, do you listen to his sermons? Any guy that WANTS TO BRING THE APACOLYPSE belongs on saturday morning cartoon shows.

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE]

Again, I don't see the need for you to qualify your point, other than to make it clearer that you think my viewpoint is untenable. If you think that, just say it without hiding behind innuendo.

You are clearly badgering the witness FWD.

Okay, your position is absolutely, unequivocally, untenable!
(I don't really feel that way at all but if it gets you off my back about it... )

FWIW, all of your religious views are equally subjective, jochhejaam;

I agree Brother D (rappers, again, feel free to use this rhyme)

but I don't see the need to cleverly suggest that a fundamental disagreement by dismissing your beliefs as subjective in responding to what you say.

<raising both hands slightly) But I honestly wasn't trying to be cleverly dismissive...honest.

Perhaps that's because I'm willing to listen to and engage those whose viewpoints diverge from my own, particularly on matters of religion, because I know that there isn't an objective truth that I'm capable of knowing other than one that exists at the most fundamental level. It would be an incorrect statement on my part, therefore, to suggest that I think you might be wrong because, frankly, I don't know. I know what I believe, but my belief is not an objective truth; nobody's is.

FWD>joch. Now do you feel better?

My rant takes away from the point of the thread, but I thought it worthwhile to make the point here because it seems to be a growing trend in so many areas of social discourse these days -- there is a nearly-absolute unwillingness by some to listen to an opposing viewpoint without dismissing that viewpoint out of hand. It's highly unproductive.

Your point doesn't take away from the thread (and I'm not being cleverly dismissive here either)

So help me out here, was this post subjective or not? (If I let you answer that should keep me out of trouble)



<trying to get my kitchen painted. Paint for 2 minutes, post for 15. That's gonna change when the wife gets home.

[xrayzebra]

<trying to get my kitchen painted. Paint for 2 minutes, post for 15. That's gonna change when the wife gets home.

You bet you booties it will.

[Trainwreck2100]

This guy is so full of

[bendmz]

Has Brother Hagee ever considered fasting while in prayer and meditation?

Fasting ? imagine that .....

[2centsworth]

I'm perfectly inclined to engage in a rational discussion, but I'm disarmed a bit by your characterization of my argument as "somewhat subjective," which certainly seems to suggest a dismissiveness that is moderately qualified by your willingness to admit that my opinion is "rational." I'll ask you -- is there any such thing as objectivity in religion? I'd doubt it.

I disfavor Hagee for the reasons that I cite. Others favor Hagee for precisely those reasons. Unless you'd argue that I'm ignoring some objective truth in Hagee's ministry -- which I'd doubt -- then the difference between me and Hagee's followers can be nothing other than subjective.

"somewhat subjective" because it wasn't specific. Support your conclusion with specific examples since as you claim you've heard hours of sermon from a man you find distasteful.

[scott]

Quick straw poll... who here is a "fan" (for lack of a better word) of Hagee's. Is he a "true Christian"?

[2centsworth]

Quick straw poll... who here is a "fan" (for lack of a better word) of Hagee's. Is he a "true Christian"?

I find it strange he lives in the dominion. However, is it for security reasons? Did he buy his house for pennies and then it appreciated? I don't know. What I do know is from what little I've heard of his sermons they all seem biblical.

Also, his prediction that the end is near I find strange.

As far as your question, is he a "true Christian" I don't know him well enough to know.

However, I'm leaning yes.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Ending the world, a true family value

[Crookshanks]

I'm not 100% positive, but I think Hagee inherited his house in the Dominion. It's not a new house because I remember a few years ago he had to have the house gutted because of a mold problem.

Hagee's style of preaching is not what I prefer, but the man is sound in his doctrine and preaches the gospel with no apologies. He is a great friend of Israel, and I believe God blesses him because of it.

Also, there has been much sniping about his income. Well, did any of you read the Sunday paper? It had an interview with Hagee about his staunch support of Israel. It also said that Hagee has given $12 million of his OWN money to help Russian Jews move to Israel.

The bible says "to whom much is given, much is required." None of us know how much Hagee gives to charity and other religious causes. Also, I have not heard of any scandal involving Hagee. I think much of what I hear about him on the forum stems from either jealousy or a deep hatred of anything Christian!

[2centsworth]

I'm not 100% positive, but I think Hagee inherited his house in the Dominion. It's not a new house because I remember a few years ago he had to have the house gutted because of a mold problem.

Hagee's style of preaching is not what I prefer, but the man is sound in his doctrine and preaches the gospel with no apologies. He is a great friend of Israel, and I believe God blesses him because of it.

Also, there has been much sniping about his income. Well, did any of you read the Sunday paper? It had an interview with Hagee about his staunch support of Israel. It also said that Hagee has given $12 million of his OWN money to help Russian Jews move to Israel.

The bible says "to whom much is given, much is required." None of us know how much Hagee gives to charity and other religious causes. Also, I have not heard of any scandal involving Hagee. I think much of what I hear about him on the forum stems from either jealousy or a deep hatred of anything Christian!

thanks for explaining.

I read the Roddey Stinson Article on Hagee and Roddey was very complimentary. Roddey says he and Hagee are on two different plains religiously. However, that after 9 years and over 1000 interviews of good samiritans that overwhelmingly the good samiratans were members of Cornerstone Church.

[scott]

I find it strange he lives in the dominion. However, is it for security reasons? Did he buy his house for pennies and then it appreciated? I don't know. What I do know is from what little I've heard of his sermons they all seem biblical.

Also, his prediction that the end is near I find strange.

As far as your question, is he a "true Christian" I don't know him well enough to know.

However, I'm leaning yes.

With all due respect, can you provide specific examples since that appears to be the measuring stick of credibility you placed on FWD (who appears to have heard more of him than you)?

[ChumpDumper]

1) Why would Hagee need security? Is Saddam or Castro gunning for him?

2) Why would Hagee have to not be the original owner of a house to have mold? is there some special blessing that excludes original homeowners from mold spores?

[jochhejaam]

Quick straw poll... who here is a "fan" (for lack of a better word) of Hagee's. Is he a "true Christian"?

Get the ball rolling scott. What are your answers to the QSP?

[Ghandi]

Has Brother Hagee ever considered fasting while in prayer and meditation?

Works for me.

[Phenomanul]

Quick straw poll... who here is a "fan" (for lack of a better word) of Hagee's. Is he a "true Christian"?

Although I don't agree with Hagee's infatuation with the apocalypse... or his crusade to the get the ball rolling toward the 'end-of-time'... I can't say the background for it isn't biblical.

Our job is to share the message of Christ with others... and as a result of our efforts the whole world will be exposed to Jesus... that in itself is a biblical sign that the 'end-of-time' is near... We shouldn't share Christ because we want the apocalypse upon us, nor should that ever be the reason.... and therein lies the distinction of purpose.

Personally I'm more of a 'fan' of Max Lucado and Dr. Tony Evans. But that's just me.

[furry_spurry]

However, that after 9 years and over 1000 interviews of good samiritans that overwhelmingly the good samiratans were members of Cornerstone Church.

So almost all the people doing good works in SA are members of this one church?

[Crookshanks]

1) Why would Hagee need security? Is Saddam or Castro gunning for him?

2) Why would Hagee have to not be the original owner of a house to have mold? is there some special blessing that excludes original homeowners from mold spores?

Anwer to question 1 - Many pastors of large churches have security. Dr. George Harris, former pastor of Castle Hills First Baptist, had a bodyguard who escorted him to his office after every service. I attend Oak Hills Church, where Max Lucado is pastor, and we have a visible security presence at every service. With so many crazies out there, it just makes sense. Also, I believe there was a bomb threat against Hagee a few years ago - that's when he got security.

Answer to question 2 - Do you have problems with reading comprehension? What I meant was that Hagee did not have a new house built in the Dominion. He bought an older, existing house with money that he inherited. And, considering the need for security, what better place to live?

[scott]

Get the ball rolling scott. What are your answers to the QSP?

I'm not a fan of Hagee.

I'm not qualified to answer if he is a "true" Christian.

What are your answers?

[FromWayDowntown]

Although I don't agree with Hagee's infatuation with the apocalypse... or his crusade to the get the ball rolling toward the 'end-of-time'... I can't say the background for it isn't biblical.

Our job is to share the message of Christ with others... and as a result of our efforts the whole world will be exposed to Jesus... that in itself is a biblical sign that the 'end-of-time' is near... We shouldn't share Christ because we want the apocalypse upon us, nor should that ever be the reason.... and therein lies the distinction of purpose.

Personally I'm more of a 'fan' of Max Lucado and Dr. Tony Evans. But that's just me.

I agree with you, hegamboa. I wouldn't ever contend that Pastor Hagee's preaching lacks a biblical underpinning. I just disagree with his theology, which is precisely the point I made originally. I find Pastor Hagee's preaching to be at odds with the theology that guides my life. I grew up in a church that taught that Christians should await the day of Christ's return and to live a life of stewardship in God's Word. That didn't mean spending every sermon examining whether the Apocalypse was upon us or lamenting the fact that it hadn't yet come.

I can't quote specific sermons of Pastor Hagee's, or recount specific statements that I disagree with; I can share that I thought there was, in the many sermons on heard on those long drives down I-37, a hint of unhappiness that the world hadn't yet ended. Coupled with some of the overtly-political sermons I heard (which I generally disagreed with from both theological and philosophical perspectives), I developed a particular disdain for Pastor Hagee's preaching. In a very simplified way, it reminded me of a more-refined version of the rambling sermons that David Koresh preached to his followers. That, to me, is contrary to much of what I know and believe from a theological standpoint.

Like I say, I understand that there are those who disagree with me. There is, in my estimation, no real objective truth (other than what God knows) to support either position. Theology is inherently subjective at some level.

[Spurminator]

I'm all for spreading the Gospel, but it undermines the Message when its stated purpose is to expedite the Apocalypse.

The Message of Christ is Love, and it should be spread with Love.

[Yonivore]

I'm all for spreading the Gospel, but it undermines the Message when its stated purpose is to expedite the Apocalypse.

The Message of Christ is Love, and it should be spread with Love.

Amen. Mother Teresa didn't need security.