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Evangelist John C. Hagee speaks at Harvest Rock Church in Pasadena, Calif. He has helped 12,000 Russian Jews move to Israel and donated millions to Israeli hospitals and orphanages. A growing number of fundamentalist Christians are aligning themselves with prophecies saying Gentiles will stand as one with Jews when the end is near.
Tuesday, June 27, 2006
By Louis Sahagun
Los Angeles Times
Seattle TimesFor thousands of years, prophets have predicted the end of the world. Today, various religious groups, using the latest technology, are trying to hasten it.
Their end game is to speed the promised arrival of a messiah.
For some Christians, this means laying the groundwork for Armageddon.
With that goal in mind, mega-church pastors recently met in Inglewood, Calif., to polish strategies for using global communications and aircraft to transport missionaries to fulfill the Great Commission — to make every person on Earth aware of Jesus' message.
Doing so, they believe, will bring about the end, perhaps within two decades....
Aircraft and fatalistic religious fanatics are never a good mix.
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Has Brother Hagee ever considered fasting while in prayer and meditation?
The Sin of Gluttony is one the "Christians" seem ignore.
I don't think I'll let this thread die with just a couple of potshots aimed at Hagee. I don't know anything about Hagee but I do know what is written in Scripture regarding what I see as the central theme in this thread.
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All taken from Matthew 24;
12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,
13 but whoever stands firm to the end will be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
There, let it die if it must on a more positive (relatively speaking) note.
If you knew Hagee like we know Hagee, you'd know why we were throwing potshots. The man is a package of everything disgusting and immoral about TV preachers. He is L. Ron Flubberd, making up his whole denomination (appropriate word: he LOVES money), after being born and raised a Catholic.
exstatic is once again exstatic in his protrayal of others religious beliefs.
I know people that go to Cornerstone, and let me just say, Hagee is a moron. And what kind of God complex do you need to try and force what you believe will be the end of the world?
I wouldn't attempt to defend, nor would I disparage, someone I know nothing about.
There is no doubt that there are charlatans and insincere people masquerading as Christians (God sorts us all out in the end). While some preach or teach God's Word for personal gain they still manage to present His message in it's purest form and the effect can be the same as the same Message presented by someone with a pure heart and sincere motives.
Isaiah "So shall My Word be that goes out of My mouth, it shall not return to me void but shall accomplish what I please."
I doubt God intended his word to be spread through the use of Powerpoint
So do you think He still wants us to use scrolls of parchment?
Or just plain old spoken word.
Oh, I see visual aids are not allowed in a church. I didn't know that. Will
God punish him for doing that. Or just you?
Thats one way but it wouldn't help the deaf much.
how would simple bullets help the deaf.
Assuming they can read it's certainly more effective than just speaking.
The method used to get it across is only a vehicle and does not hinder the intent of the message. Visual aids allow for more absorbtion of what's being taught.
Powerpoint in no way dilutes or diminshes a clearly presented message as it should only serve as an enhancer.
The fact that he's full of dilutes things though.
If he's a hypocrite then obviously his effectiveness is diminshed.
Another great judgement call. I congratulate you. I assume you attend
all his sermons then. Or do you just listen on the radio. Just wondering.
Or is it that m a y b e you are just a little jealous of his fame. Naw, it
couldn't be that. You are too big a person for that. Right?
Why is he full of ?
I've spend hours listening to John Hagee sermons. When I lived in Corpus Christi and commuted to San Antonio for weekends, I would make my return drive on Sunday evenings and could only get WOAI on my radio -- and therefore, only Hagee sermons. I found his preaching to be distasteful to my sensibilities because it reminded me to some degree of the sermons that David Koresh was preaching in Waco. Hagee's theology is certainly centered on a apocalypse; but it goes beyond preparing for the Apocalypse -- he seems willing to usher it in and almost bent on ensuring that it will happen.
I also find that when Hagee isn't preaching his apocalyptic vision, he's playing politician from the pulpit. Frankly, I disagree with virtually every political position he takes, so I find his preaching to be, at a minimum, unpersuasive.
Others are far more familiar with the allegations concerning the enterprenurial efforts of the Hagee ministry. I find it difficult to stomach virutally any televangelist or television preacher, because I find the effort to realize tremendous wealth from preaching God's Word to be unseemly.
Somewhat subjective but rational, that's what I was interested in hearing.
Thanks FWD.
I'm perfectly inclined to engage in a rational discussion, but I'm disarmed a bit by your characterization of my argument as "somewhat subjective," which certainly seems to suggest a dismissiveness that is moderately qualified by your willingness to admit that my opinion is "rational." I'll ask you -- is there any such thing as objectivity in religion? I'd doubt it.
I disfavor Hagee for the reasons that I cite. Others favor Hagee for precisely those reasons. Unless you'd argue that I'm ignoring some objective truth in Hagee's ministry -- which I'd doubt -- then the difference between me and Hagee's followers can be nothing other than subjective.
I thought you might take it that was FWD. If I were trying to be dismissive I wouldn't have added rational to the post. Even though shared by others they were your personal thoughts about Hagee (and weren't contested by me) but I'm sure they aren't shared by all. That's why I used subjective.
Sorry about disarming you, that had to hurt.
Your response is somewhat illogical, but rational.
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