It is a Jihad for the sake of God and will last until (our) religion prevails

[Nesterofish]

Yeah, good luck with killing every terrorist out there. This is novel thinking, and I'm sure nobody has ever thought of it before. I wonder why it hasn't been done?

The sad thing is that you're pretty damn representative of the American demographic and the stupidy that clogs your brain and the rest of the idiots running around this country is the reason nothing ever gets done.

Congrats.

Yeah you libruls think your sp smart but you are the ones who cause all the problems make America weak. Back when everyone was simple god-fearing folk that's ewhen America became greta.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

The United States will not be dropping any nuclear bombs anytime soon. Even if a terrorist organization detonated a nuclear weapon in this country, I'm pretty sure that there would not be a retaliatory strike with nuclear weapons unless it became clear that there was a nation state directly involved in the attack.

Nuking the Middle East is a non factor and if you guys want to go debate it feel free, but I'd rather look at reality instead.

yeah, I'm sure the US won't, I'm just trying to make my point with fish here, and perhaps Aggie over there.

[Yonivore]

Yeah, good luck with killing every terrorist out there. This is novel thinking, and I'm sure nobody has ever thought of it before. I wonder why it hasn't been done?

You don't have to kill them all. They can be pacified. Just not by this endless cycle of hostility and appeasement. You have to defeat them decisively and al Qaeda and Hizbollah are as good a place to start as anywhere.

The sad thing is that you're pretty damn representative of the American demographic and the stupidy that clogs your brain and the rest of the idiots running around this country is the reason nothing ever gets done.

Thankfully, you're not representative of the vast majority of Americans.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Thankfully, you're not representative of the vast majority of Americans.

yes, because you'd rather have this

Yeah you libruls think your sp smart but you are the ones who cause all the problems make America weak. Back when everyone was simple god-fearing folk that's ewhen America became greta.

be representative of the vast majotiry of Americans right?

[MannyIsGod]

Sure, let me know when the next time a major terrorist organization was beaten into submission. Or the last time for that matter.

[Guru of Nothing]

Sure, let me know when the next time a major terrorist organization was beaten into submission. Or the last time for that matter.

Khadafi?

[MannyIsGod]

Libya was a state that sponsored terrorism, not a terrorist organization. That in itself is a major distinction, but to go further they weren't beaten into submission they were enticed into compliance with some huge carrots.

[Spurminator]

You guys are treating Nesterofish WAY too much like a legitimate poster.

[Guru of Nothing]

Libya was a state that sponsored terrorism, not a terrorist organization. That in itself is a major distinction, but to go further they weren't beaten into submission they were enticed into compliance with some huge carrots.

To me, states that sponsor terrorism ARE terrorist organizations. I'm not seeing a distinction.

Didn't Ronald Reagan lob a bomb in Khadafi's vicinity which nearly took out his family (small children included)? History escapes me, but if I'm right, I would not call that a "carrot."

[DeMarcus Bryant]

Just go ahaed and kill all the Muslimms alrady. End of problem.

ok Hitler.

[MannyIsGod]

To me, states that sponsor terrorism ARE terrorist organizations. I'm not seeing a distinction.

Didn't Ronald Reagan lob a bomb in Khadafi's vicinity which nearly took out his family (small children included)? History escapes me, but if I'm right, I would not call that a "carrot."

Except that wasn't what made him "fall into line". That came over 12 years later at the end of the Clinton presidency, but it was ignored. Then 9/11 happend, and no one contacted them. Then finally after Iraq, the US decided to negotiate with them and hammered out agreements.

At this point the Bush administration claimed it as a result of the Iraq war, but the truth is that Libya had tried to get these agreements and negotiation before Bush even came into office. They wanted to be a player, and now they're becoming a big player in the region. Coincidence?

You can consider states that sponsor terrorism the same as terrorist organizations but the fact is that they usually have quite different goals. Nations will usually simply use these groups to further political goals while the groups themselves have ideological reason for doing what they do.

For example, Iran and Syria support Hezbollah because they want to harm Israel which therby lifts them. However, Hezbollah has reasons rooted in Lebanese occupation for doing what they do. A Country is always going to be much easier to harm with action than a group is because of the nature of the motivation.

[BIG IRISH]

....Nations will usually simply use these groups to further political goals while the groups themselves have ideological reason for doing what they do.

Excellent post
did you cut and past or was it an original thought

[boutons_]

"At this point the Bush administration claimed it as a result of the Iraq war, but the truth is that Libya had tried to get these agreements and negotiation before Bush even came into office"

Yes, I remember this big Repug lie when it was exposed by the people who had been following and working with Libya for years before 2000.

The amusing irony with Libya was the Khadaffi was under internal pressure from Islamic fundamentalists, not external pressure from dubya/Iraq, to improve the lot of his people or face a revolution. Libya being able to sell more oil/gas allowed Khadaffi to buy off the fundamentalists.

dubya, the liar. The Repugs don't even know the meaning of shame or honor.

[jochhejaam]

You guys are treating Nesterofish WAY too much like a legitimate poster.

Birds of a feather, flock together.

[clambake]

Joch and Yoni, could you PLEASE be quiet? I'd like to hear more from Nester. I think his ideas are much more accurate with how middle america thinks.

Nester, do you have any hate literature that you can spare. I'm writing a thesis based on whackjobs in america?

[gtownspur]

I frankly dont give a rats ass what the world thinks. Europe, Russia, and China see the middle East as a piece of ass to manipulate for dominance.

Russia would love to have Iran expand thus giving Russia control over the oil production and thus crippling the economy of the USA.

The fact is, is that the US has been courting the Arab Royalty to be loyal to american interest, and china and Russia want to break the pact between the arab oil sultans, and the yankees. This is the first step, in world power.

France and Germany, have their own oil interest, and trades. Add to the fact that they have a good muslim population that rivals that of the political swing power of hispanics do here.

Lets look at this frankly.

The Arab world hates us in reality. They keep it cool and calm because we are the powerful ones, but once we start to tremble they will reveal their true selves. We are only their buisiness partners and nothing else. In the Mid east, it's all buisiness.

And once you start to realize this and quit acting like John Kerry, and the EU have a better honest solutions, you won't be able to provide a good solution, but will be relegated to condemning Nesterofish's and AHF's rhetoric.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Nice.

Take the word of one idiot as how all of them must feel.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Yeah you libruls think your sp smart but you are the ones who cause all the problems make America weak. Back when everyone was simple god-fearing folk that's ewhen America became greta.

Wow.

[sabar]

SEATTLE (Reuters) - A woman was killed and five other women were wounded on Friday when a gunman opened fire at a Jewish organization in downtown Seattle that last weekend organized a rally in support of Israel.

A Seattle police spokesman said the gunman, who was thought to be acting alone, had been taken into custody but that authorities were "taking every precaution" in searching for explosives and additional suspects.

Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle Vice President Amy Wasser-Simpson told the Seattle Times in a story on its Web site that a man got through security at the building and shouted, "I'm a Muslim American; I'm angry at Israel," then began shooting.

Police did not confirm the report and offered no immediate motive for the shooting. It was not clear if the shooter was specifically targeting women.

A handgun had been found at the scene, police said.

A hospital spokeswoman said at least three of the victims had been taken into surgery for their wounds.

The federation had organized a large rally last weekend to demonstrate support for Israel in its fight against Hizbollah in southern Lebanon.

[ShackO]

They think were weak becuase we dont take care of busienss. LIke Israel they gave away land and so they got attacked more. If we nuke them we show them who is boss. If not then if you kill 90 percent of the Muslkms then that's 90 percent fewer peor-ple to cbecome terroriysts .

How do you know what "they think"........??? You have no idea what you are talking about......... Stick to crying about your team.....

[ShackO]

Some of us dumb s with degrees in history and world politics are smart enough to know that history will show the ragheads showing up in Afghanistan and Iraq is a great thing. That means they aren't showing up in America and hijacking planes to fly into buildings.

Let's see... unarmed civilians in buildings and on planes, or the best armed fighting force in the world (U.S. military). Hmm, who would I rather have the hajis attacking...




If the left had the balls for it, we would have just nuked the Afghanistan/Pakistan border after 9/11 and we wouldn't be where we are.

It's my big criticism with the Bush administration. Sadly, we are fighting the war on terror like we fought Vietnam - too much concern for what the media and polls and the anti-war folks are saying.

If you're going to fight a war, you do it how Truman did it in WWII - the only way to win is the complete and utter destruction of your enemy.

We should have nuked the Afghan/Pakistan border on September 12, 2001, but then you've got the pussies on the left screaming for impeachment, and the other half of the equation is that you open pandora's box as far as the nuclear scenario goes.

It sucks but it is what it is. The sad thing is if my gut is right several years from now a nuke is going to go off in an American city, possibly several, as the penultimate 'event' dreamed up by bin Laden.

When that day comes, we will respond in kind by wiping out any Islamofascist regions we know of that can be taken out with nukes. And the reason I say it's sad is twofold.

One is that a lot of Americans are going to have to die at the hand of radical Islam for people in this country, including those on BOTH sides of the aisle in D.C., to get the hint (of course D.C. would probably be target numero uno, so that point may be moot).

The second is that it could have been prevented if we would have gone for the kill shot on the Afghan/Pakistan border when we knew all the assholes were in the same area.

In radical Islam, we are facing the same ed up idealism that the world ultimately had to wipe out with WWII - Naziism.

But too many people in the world today are too PC, too much of pussies, to recognize it and work towards doing something about it.

I don’t recall reading in any text book the term raghead….. Just were did you get your “degrees in history and world politics” @?????

In your expert opinion do you think the murdering of over 300 civilians in Lebanon is helping or hurting the cause of peace in the Middle East???

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I don’t recall reading in any text book the term raghead….. Just were did you get your “degrees in history and world politics” @?????

In your expert opinion do you think the murdering of over 300 civilians in Lebanon is helping or hurting the cause of peace in the Middle East???

It's called slang. It's not in a textook.

As to Israel/Lebanon. There are over 500,000 Israelis living in bunkers because Hezbollah is firing 150 rockets a day into Israel.

As to the cause of peace, there has never been peace in the Middle East, never in its 1500 year existence as far as Islam goes.

There never will be either, until the whole area gets turned into glass.

I started this thread because I figured maybe, just maybe, some of the liberal folks on the left on this site that seem to think we can just back away, bring our troops home, and be okay would see the light.

There isn't going to be a peace, and people need to realize that. It's going to be us or them, and I'd prefer that the good guys win this one.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

It's called slang. It's not in a textook.

As to Israel/Lebanon. There are over 500,000 Israelis living in bunkers because Hezbollah is firing 150 rockets a day into Israel.

As to the cause of peace, there has never been peace in the Middle East, never in its 1500 year existence as far as Islam goes.

There never will be either, until the whole area gets turned into glass.

I started this thread because I figured maybe, just maybe, some of the liberal folks on the left on this site that seem to think we can just back away, bring our troops home, and be okay would see the light.

There isn't going to be a peace, and people need to realize that. It's going to be us or them, and I'd prefer that the good guys win this one.

the good guys, thats funny. So in your mind the "good guys" would win by killing thousands of innocent women and children. Yeah, I bet that makes sense in that ed up head of yours

[ShackO]

It's called slang. It's not in a textook.

Slang…....?? Most folks would call that a racial slur. AN insult… But I guess a well educated intellectual like yourself would know better then most folks…


As to Israel/Lebanon. There are over 500,000 Israelis living in bunkers because Hezbollah is firing 150 rockets a day into Israel.

Wow I guess you really are a scholar… Why not provide a link to back up that number… 500,000 cough, cough

As to the cause of peace, there has never been peace in the Middle East, never in its 1500 year existence as far as Islam goes.

What, are you kidding me…… Why not point out some place on this planet that has been peaceful for even a 10th of that time……. EVER!!!!




There never will be either, until the whole area gets turned into glass.

If it is turned to glass or not I don’t know but you are correct…. It will not know peace if history is any example….



I started this thread because I figured maybe, just maybe, some of the liberal folks on the left on this site that seem to think we can just back away, bring our troops home, and be okay would see the light.

I understand that and I don’t mind if you want to tug some chains on the left, I like to tug a few chains now and then myself but far to often I find ppl attempting paint a negative picture of ppl that don’t support Israel..

There isn't going to be a peace, and people need to realize that. It's going to be us or them

Well unless you are in Israel it is not us vs them ….>>> It is them vs them…

But I do agree there will not be peace. Certainly not as long as Israel is there….. The Arabs are not going to give up until they get back their “holy land”…… And IMO they will get it back someday…


, and I'd prefer that the good guys win this one.

IMO there is no good guys vs bad guys......

If someone does not support Canada or England no one has anything to say about it… Everybody is always dogging the French……. Nary a peep!!!! But if you say something about Israel you better watch out… FUX THAT!!!!

This is America and we can think and say what we want………… If me and the president are not above criticism, then IMO neither is some other Nation……

[spurster]

The problem is that we don't have someone smart enough to turn the situation to the US advantage.

We're all just idiots on this board. Where are the Marshalls and the Kennans to advise the President Trumans on policies as longterm and farreaching as the Marshall Plan (support of Western Europe) and the Truman Doctrine (containment)? All we've had for some time are idiots in office looking to the next election.

With terrorists, I think you have to have a dual policy (1) to address their (justified) greivances and (2) to snuff them (the unjustified violence) out. Both the carrot and the stick. This kind of approach is necessarily longterm and will be criticized for both appeasement and when we strike out at terrorists or their proxies (such as strikes on Libya). However, what we have now is that one side is absolute evil and the other side absolute good. This works well to get elected, I suppose, but will never get to the root of the problem.