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    Whoa. That's deep. spurschick's Avatar
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    Can we get a vbookie on where it's gonna hit? My money is on New Orleans.
    Don't say such things.

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    Can we get a vbookie on where it's gonna hit? My money is on New Orleans.
    my money's on anywhere that gives SA no rain

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    Damn, how freaky would it be if it became a cat 5 in 5-6 days and was threatening New Orleans.

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    Damn, how freaky would it be if it became a cat 5 in 5-6 days and was threatening New Orleans.
    that would really suck.

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    Not freaky at all really. New Orleans will be hit with a strong hurricane again. It isn't an if, it is a when.

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    Not freaky at all really. New Orleans will be hit with a strong hurricane again. It isn't an if, it is a when.
    No, I understand that, I just mean it happening on the one year mark of Katrina.

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    True, I didn't even realize it but yeah i guess it has been one year.

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    that, if it becomes a hurricane and comes to Texas, *I* am going to chase it. Anyone wanting to lend me their camera is free.


    "I" will be competing wtih you for the better story.


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    Tropical Depression Five Discussion Number 3
    Nws Tpc/national Hurricane Center Miami Fl Al052006
    500 Am Edt Fri Aug 25 2006

    Despite Westerly Shear... The Tropical Depression Appears To Be
    Approaching Tropical Storm Strength. Deep Convection Has
    Intensified Near The Center With Improving Banding Features In The
    Eastern Semicircle. However It Appears The Center Is On The
    Western Edge Of The Thunderstorms... As Suggested By A Notch In The
    Deep Convection Pattern On Night-vis Satellite Images. Satellite
    Classifications Range From 35-45 Kt But Are A Little Closer To The
    Center Of The Deep Convection. With The Uncertainity In Initial
    Position.. 30 Kt Will Be Kept Until Visible Images Allow Us To Get
    A Better Handle On Where The System Is Located.

    The Track Forecast Seems Like The Easier Part Of The Forecast This
    Morning. The Depression Is Speeding Westward At About The Same
    Rate... 280/17. Middle-level Ridging Should Remain Strong Over
    The Western Atlantic Ocean... Keeping The System Moving In A
    General West To West-northwestward Heading For The Next Couple Of
    Days. The Nogaps/ukmet Show Stronger Ridging And A Weaker
    Tropical Cyclone... Leading To A Track Closer To Yucatan In About 5
    Days. The Gfs And Gfdl Temporarily Weaken The Ridge In A Few
    Days... Which Allow A Stronger System To Move To The Northwest
    Closer To Cuba. I'm Inclined To Stick Closer To The First Option
    ... Leading To A Small Westward Shift Of The Track Forecast.

    The Intensity Forecast Is Tricky To Say The Least. First Of All...
    The System Has To Survive The Strong Westerly Shear It Will Be
    Experiencing For The Next Day Or Two. This Is By No Means Certain
    And It Wouldn't Be A Huge Surprise For The Depression To Dissipate
    In The "graveyard" Of The Eastern Caribbean Sea... Like Some Of The
    Global Models Are Forecasting. However...if The Tropical Cyclone
    Survives...and This Is A Big If...global Models Remove The Shear By
    Fracturing The Mid-oceanic Trough In The Western Caribbean. This
    Pattern Change Sends An Upper-level Low Into The Gulf Of Mexico In
    3 Days While Building Upper Ridging Near The Depression. This Could
    Allow The System To Strengthen Especially As It Enters The Western
    Caribbean. On The Other Hand... Global Models Have Notoriously
    Weakened Upper-level Cyclones Too Quickly In The Past And The
    Mid-oceanic Trough Has Been Quite Persistent And Stronger-than-
    Normal In That Area This Season. After Saying All This... The
    Intensity Forecast Will Be Quite Similar To Previous. However If
    The Low Shear Environment The Global Models Are Forecasting
    Materializes In The Western Caribbean... Td Five Could Be A Lot
    Stronger Than Shown Below In The Later Periods.


    Forecast Positions And Max Winds

    Initial 25/0900z 13.4n 65.7w 30 Kt
    12hr Vt 25/1800z 13.9n 67.8w 35 Kt
    24hr Vt 26/0600z 14.8n 70.4w 40 Kt
    36hr Vt 26/1800z 15.6n 72.8w 45 Kt
    48hr Vt 27/0600z 16.5n 75.0w 55 Kt
    72hr Vt 28/0600z 18.5n 79.5w 65 Kt
    96hr Vt 29/0600z 21.0n 84.0w 65 Kt
    120hr Vt 30/0600z 23.5n 87.5w 65 Kt

    $$
    Forecaster Blake/avila

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    Tropical Depression Five Discussion Number 4
    Nws Tpc/national Hurricane Center Miami Fl Al052006
    1100 Am Edt Fri Aug 25 2006

    The Center Of Tropical Depression Five Is Very Hard To Locate This
    Morning. Microwave Satellite Imagery Suggests That The Center Is
    Located West Of The Large Convective Mass That Has Persisted Through
    The Night...and Close To The Previous Forecast Tracks. However...a
    12z Observation From Ship 6zxg Suggest The Center Is Farther To The
    South And East...which Would Suggest A More Westward Motion At A
    Slower Forward Speed. Animation Of Visible Imagery Has Not Yet
    Helped Resolve This...as It Is Difficult To See Westerly Low-level
    Winds. The Initial Position Will Be Closer To That Of The
    Microwave Data. Satellite Intensity Estimates Remain 35-45 Kt...
    But Due To The Uncertainty In The Center Position The Cyclone Will
    Remain A Depression On This Package.

    The Initial Motion Is A Somewhat Uncertain 280/13...somewhat Slower
    Than Earlier. There Is Little Change In The Synoptic Reasoning Or
    The Track Forecast For The First 72-96 Hr. The Depression Is South
    Of A Low/mid-level Ridging Over The Western Atlantic...which Should
    Keep The System Moving Generally West-northwestward. Model
    Guidance Supports This Scenario With A Tight Clustering Of Tracks
    Through The Northwestern Caribbean...with The Exception Of The Gfdl
    Which Continues To Call For A Track Over Cuba. Some Spread Appears
    In The Guidance After 96 Hr...with The Gfs And Nogaps Building The
    Ridge Across The Gulf Of Mexico Enough To Turn The Cyclone
    Westward...while The Ecmwf And Canadian Models Having Enough Of A
    Weakness For The Cyclone To Turn Northward. The New Forecast Track
    Is An Update Of The Previous Package For The First 96 Hr...then
    Slows The System Down In Response To The Guidance Spread.

    The Intensity Forecast Is Perhaps Becoming Less Tricky. The
    Large-scale Models Are Coming Into Better Agreement That The
    Upper-level Trough Over The Western Caribbean Will Move Westward
    And Allow An Upper-level Ridge To Develop Over The Western
    Caribbean. Should This Happen...as Some Of The Models Have Been
    Known To Move Upper-level Lows Too Quickly Westward...it Would
    Reduce The Current 15-20 Kt Shear And Produce A More Favorable
    Environment. The Ships Model Calls For The Depression To Become A
    Hurricane In About 60 Hr And Reach 87 Kt By 120 Hr. Given The
    Uncertainties In The Initial Position And Intensity...the New
    Intensity Forecast Is The Same As The Old Forecast...calling For
    The Cyclone To Become A Hurricane In About 72 Hr. However...if The
    Shear Decreases As Much As Forecast...the Cyclone Could Be
    Significantly Stronger Than Currently Forecast After 72 Hr.

    An Air Force Reserve Hurricane Hunter Aircraft Is Scheduled To
    Investigate The Depression This Afternoon. If The Aircraft Finds
    The Center In A Different Location...significant Changes In The
    Forecast Track Could Be Necessary On The Next Advisory.


    Forecast Positions And Max Winds

    Initial 25/1500z 13.5n 66.4w 30 Kt
    12hr Vt 26/0000z 14.2n 68.5w 35 Kt
    24hr Vt 26/1200z 15.0n 71.1w 40 Kt
    36hr Vt 27/0000z 15.9n 73.6w 45 Kt
    48hr Vt 27/1200z 16.9n 76.0w 55 Kt
    72hr Vt 28/1200z 19.0n 80.5w 65 Kt
    96hr Vt 29/1200z 21.5n 84.5w 65 Kt
    120hr Vt 30/1200z 23.5n 87.5w 65 Kt

    $$
    Forecaster Beven

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    More models for your viewing pleasure.


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    It's In The Numbers 1369's Avatar
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    This model is intesesting, if you hit "FWD" in the menu and let the animation run, it shows the system hitting somewhere between Corpus and Houston in like 144 hours. Granted that the model errors that far out are large.

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    Anywhere on the Gulf Coast right now is a possibility, but to be honest if I was in NO I would not be happy. Not one bit.

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    That red circle is the center of the storm, and its moving too fast for the storms to keep up with it. This storm may kill itself off this way. Its on the verge of either blowing up, or dying. Hopefully it dies, because as hot as the Gulf and W. Carribean are, we dont' need storms in that area.

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    Okay, weather geeks: do hurricanes ever hit south of the Equator?

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    Yes. They are extrmely rare in the south Atlantic although one did hit Brazil a few years back. They do hit Australia though, but they aren't called hurricanes. Same with a different name.

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    Rarely? Often? Do we just not hear about them because they don't affect us?

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    Kinda cool how it was spinning "backwards" due to the corilois effect.

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    Kinda cool how it was spinning "backwards" due to the corilois effect.
    The Kori Ellis effect?

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    It is official.

    000
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    TROPICAL STORM ERNESTO DISCUSSION NUMBER 5
    NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL AL052006
    500 PM EDT FRI AUG 25 2006

    REPORTS FROM AN AIR FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER INDICATE THAT
    TROPICAL DEPRESSION FIVE HAS STRENGTHENED INTO TROPICAL STORM
    ERNESTO. THE AIRCRAFT FOUND 48 KT WINDS AT A FLIGHT LEVEL OF 1000
    FT ABOUT 40 N MI NORTHEAST OF THE CENTER...ALONG WITH A MINIMUM
    CENTRAL PRESSURE OF 1004 MB. THIS WIND WOULD NORMALLY SUPPORT A 40
    KT INTENSITY. HOWEVER...THE CENTER WAS COMPLETELY EXPOSED AT THAT
    TIME...AND THE 48 KT WINDS WERE NOT IN SIGNIFICANT CONVECTION.
    THUS...THE INITIAL INTENSITY IS SET TO A MORE CONSERVATIVE 35 KT IN
    AGREEMENT WITH SATELLITE INTENSITY ESTIMATES FROM TAFB AND SAB.

    THE EXPOSED CENTER IS TO THE NORTH OF THE PREVIOUS TRACK...AND THE
    NEW INITIAL MOTION IS A SOMEWHAT UNCERTAIN 285/14. OTHERWISE...
    THERE IS LITTLE CHANGE IN THE FORECAST PHILOSOPHY OR THE TRACK
    FORECAST FOR THE FIRST 72 HR. ERNESTO IS SOUTH OF A LOW/MID-LEVEL
    RIDGE OVER THE WESTERN ATLANTIC...WHICH SHOULD KEEP THE SYSTEM
    MOVING GENERALLY WEST-NORTHWESTWARD. MODEL GUIDANCE SUPPORTS THIS
    SCENARIO WITH A TIGHT CLUSTERING OF TRACKS THROUGH THE NORTHWESTERN
    CARIBBEAN AND THE WESTERN END OF CUBA...WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE
    GFDL WHICH CONTINUES TO CALL FOR A TRACK OVER THE LENGTH OF CUBA.
    SOME SPREAD APPEARS IN THE GUIDANCE AFTER 72 HR...WITH THE GFS
    BUILDING THE RIDGE ACROSS THE GULF OF MEXICO ENOUGH TO TURN ERNESTO
    WESTWARD...WHILE THE ECMWF AND CANADIAN MODELS HAVING ENOUGH OF A
    WEAKNESS FOR THE CYCLONE TO TURN NORTHWARD. THE UKMET FORECASTS A
    CONTINUED WEST-NORTHWESTWARD MOTION THROUGH 120 HR...WHILE THE
    NOGAPS STALLS ERNESTO OVER THE CENTRAL GULF OF MEXICO. THE NEW
    FORECAST TRACK IS NORTH OF...BUT PARALLEL TO...THE PREVIOUS TRACK
    FOR THE FIRST 72 HR BASED ON THE NEW POSITION AND MOTION. IT THEN
    CALLS FOR A SLOWER NORTHWESTWARD MOTION OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO IN
    RESPONSE TO THE GUIDANCE SPREAD.

    SATELLITE IMAGERY STILL SHOWS UPPER-LEVEL SOUTHWESTERLY FLOW JUST
    NORTHWEST OF ERNESTO. THIS SUGGESTS THAT THE CURRENT SHEAR WILL
    CONTINUE FOR ANOTHER 12 HR OR SO...WITH TRANSIENT BURSTS OF STRONG
    CONVECTION LIKELY. AFTER THAT...THE LARGE-SCALE MODELS ALL
    FORECAST AN UPPER-LEVEL RIDGE OR ANTICYCLONE TO BUILD OVER THE
    NORTHWESTERN CARIBBEAN. WHILE THERE ARE DIFFERENCES IN THE
    DETAILS...PARTICULARLY IN THE EXACT POSITION OF THE ANTICYCLONE AND
    A SOUTHWARD-MOVING CYCLONIC SHEAR AXIS ON ITS NORTH SIDE...THE
    SHEAR IS LIKELY TO DECREASE ENOUGH TO ALLOW ERNESTO TO STRENGTHEN.
    THE INTENSITY FORECAST THUS CALLS FOR SLOW STRENGTHENING FOR THE
    FIRST 24-36 HR...WITH SOMEWHAT FASTER STRENGTHENING THEREAFTER.
    THE NEW FORECAST CALLS FOR MORE STRENGTHENING OVER THE GULF OF
    MEXICO THAN PREVIOUSLY FORECAST DUE TO THE FORECAST UPPER-LEVEL
    WINDS AT 96 AND 120 HR. ALTHOUGH THE SHIPS AND SUPERENSEMBLE
    GUIDANCE CALLS FOR LITTLE CHANGE IN STRENGTH AFTER 96 HR...THERE IS
    A CHANCE THAT ERNESTO COULD BE MUCH STRONGER THAN CURRENTLY
    FORECAST OVER THE GULF OF MEXICO.

    FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

    INITIAL 25/2100Z 14.3N 67.6W 35 KT
    12HR VT 26/0600Z 15.0N 69.7W 35 KT
    24HR VT 26/1800Z 16.0N 72.2W 40 KT
    36HR VT 27/0600Z 17.0N 74.7W 45 KT
    48HR VT 27/1800Z 18.0N 77.2W 55 KT...OVER JAMAICA
    72HR VT 28/1800Z 20.5N 82.0W 65 KT...OVER WATER
    96HR VT 29/1800Z 23.0N 85.5W 70 KT
    120HR VT 30/1800Z 24.5N 88.0W 75 KT

    $$
    FORECASTER BEVEN

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    Hedo Layup Drill ShoogarBear's Avatar
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    WTF, will somebody tell the National Weather Service that all caps suck?

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    all caps suck, and
    suck worse in low-resolution italics with suposedly "cool" low-contrast light grey letters on dark grey b/g

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    WTF, will somebody tell the National Weather Service that all caps suck?
    WHY??

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