I want answers, is that to much to ask?.....

[Nbadan]

I'm with Snake on this one. If seen to much evidence, photographs and other that leave little doubt a plane hit the Pentagon. I've even seen photos of damaged lights from the freeway the plane crossed before striking the building. I've read hours of eye-witness testimony. There are many photos that show plane wreckage.

[fekz]

A few questions for those who believe the official story is complete, because I'd like to be as confident as you that our government isn't corrupt. Please answer these questions for me.


What DNA database did the US government use to analyze, compare, and confirm that the remains found in the wreckage were of the 19 hijackers?

Does hijacker remains/flesh have distinct properties that would make it stand out amongst American flesh that went unindentified? Wouldn't remains be scattered everywhere and mixed?

In a few days after 9/11, the hijackers were indentified without the slightest speculation of how they were indentified. How do you CONFIRM the inden y of 19 hijackers when you can't indentify the remains of the passengers?

[Zombie.]

I'm with Snake on this one. If seen to much evidence, photographs and other that leave little doubt a plane hit the Pentagon. I've even seen photos of damaged lights from the freeway the plane crossed before striking the building. I've read hours of eye-witness testimony. There are many photos that show plane wreckage.

there are also 780,000 photos of UFO's and 1,200 pictures of Big foot, does that mean it's also true? Man I really thought Nbadan was alot smarter than this, I guess I was wrong.

[mouse]

A few questions for those who believe the official story is complete, because I'd like to be as confident as you that our government isn't corrupt. Please answer these questions for me.


What DNA database did the US government use to analyze, compare, and confirm that the remains found in the wreckage were of the 19 hijackers?

Does hijacker remains/flesh have distinct properties that would make it stand out amongst American flesh that went unindentified? Wouldn't remains be scattered everywhere and mixed?

In a few days after 9/11, the hijackers were indentified without the slightest speculation of how they were indentified. How do you CONFIRM the inden y of 19 hijackers when you can't indentify the remains of the passengers?

^ Rack!

You know the whole time I made this topic and replied I never said I fully accept any of the evidence thus far, I want to have an open mind to review the facts, my beef is with the cover ups and the lack of answers. If these guys have no problem showing pictures of so called parts to passenger planes, why can't they show the video? And why would Bush tell reporters when he saw the first plane hit the WTC tower.... how he reacted etc..., when the only film of the first plane to hit the towers was still in the camera of the man making the NY fire fighters do entry? The film had not been seen yet by anyone, and yet Bush claims he saw the first plane hit the towers?


And why would they play fake phone calls on TV showing doomed passengers talking to thier families and many of them saying this.......

" o Mom? this is your son John Smith"

when was the last time you called your mom and used your first and last name?


And why would men with black ties on have to remove a huge box with a blue tarp covering it in a hurry? What could be so bad that it couldn't stay on the ground for the proper investiagtors to see? But wait I am talking to a bunch of highly educated posters who think cuz there are 1,200 pictures of Big Foot he is real.
You would think the average person with a GED would want answers also................

[Nbadan]

there are also 780,000 photos of UFO's and 1,200 pictures of Big foot, does that mean it's also true? Man I really thought Nbadan was alot smarter than this, I guess I was wrong.

Hey, it's me, I like a good conspiracy theory more than the next guy, but I've analyzed photos myself that show a American Airlines plane about 25 feet off the ground heading at breaking speed toward the Pentagon. If those photos are fakes, they are damn good ones.

[Smackie Chan]

Save me the trip to Blockbuster and lets hear some examples.

http://www.thepowerhour.com/911_anal...hole-photo.htm




THIS PHOTO SHOWS JUST HOW RIDICULOUS IT IS THAT A PLANE CRASHED INTO THE PENTAGON. BELOW IS A PICTURE OF THE PENTAGON WITH THE HOLE BEFORE THE BUILDING COLLAPSED. NOTICE THE LACK OF DEBRIS AT THE BASE OF THE BUILDING. SUPERIMPOSED IS A 757, SIZED TO SCALE, ATTEMPTING TO FIT INTO THE LITTLE TINY HOLE IT SUPPOSEDLY MADE ON IMPACT. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT A PLANE CAN DO IT AND LEAVE ONLY ONE PIECE OF DEBRIS HUNDREDS OF FEET AWAY FROM THE BUILDING

[Nbadan]

Pics are worth a 1000 words..


Highway lights damaged by plane


Parts of the Engine


Another piece of the Royal-Royce engine, not found on missiles

[Nbadan]

[Nbadan]

As far as what happened to the plane and why such a small hole - a majority of the plane vaporized into millions of pieces at impact..

A concrete wall hit by an F-4 fighter jet at 500 MPH

The above was a test where an F-4 fighter jet (fighters are built more sturdy than passenger jets in order to survive despite combat damage) was slammed into a test wall to evaluate the damage that might be caused if a jet plane was crashed into a reactor containment vessel.

The wall in this test was considerably stronger than the Pentagon wall and suffered little damage. However, that damage was found to be primarily from the engines of the F-4, whereas the rest of the airframe shattered on impact without damaging the wall at all. This test proves that the Pentagon damage would come not from the aircraft as a whole, but from the heavy and dense components such as the engines, landing gear blocks, avionics, potable water bottles, etc.

[Nbadan]

So who's really behind the Pentagon missile conspiracies?

This is an old intelligence trick called "Poisoning the well", the intentional promotion of lies to blend with an embarrassing truth to discredit it. The government shills are trying to conceal real news stories such as the Israeli Spy Ring and its connections to the attacks on the World Trade Towers. So, we get hoax stories poured onto the net by government propagandists, to be used by the media to attack the credibility of anyone who dares doubt the official story.

At some point in the near future, photographs, or video will be "discovered" clearly showing the impact, and the mainstream media will have a field day ridiculing those "kooky Internet web sites" and their "silly conspiracy theories", all based on a silly theory the government is itself planting on the web.

But if you think about it, common sense tells you their claims are just plain silly. After all, if the passenger jet didn't hit the Pentagon, then where did it go? And since the people behind 9-11 had to get rid of the passenger jet and its contents anyway, there was no reason for them NOT to ram it into the Pentagon. Why risk a swap? Why complicate matters even further?

What Really Happened

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Can we maybe address mouse's other questions?

Why is the entire thread focussing on the one sensationalist question he asked? The other two were actually rational, reasonable questions, but everyone (except me) has chosen to ignore them.

[Nbadan]

A few questions for those who believe the official story is complete, because I'd like to be as confident as you that our government isn't corrupt. Please answer these questions for me.


What DNA database did the US government use to analyze, compare, and confirm that the remains found in the wreckage were of the 19 hijackers?

Does hijacker remains/flesh have distinct properties that would make it stand out amongst American flesh that went unindentified? Wouldn't remains be scattered everywhere and mixed?

In a few days after 9/11, the hijackers were indentified without the slightest speculation of how they were indentified. How do you CONFIRM the inden y of 19 hijackers when you can't indentify the remains of the passengers?

These are all legitimate questions, but I think they have more to do with what we really knew about the suspected hi-jackers before 911 from foreign sources and our own intelligence agencies rather than anything else. There is also video of them entering the airport and boarding the plane, a passenger list and phone calls from some on board the plane describing the hijackers.

[johnsmith]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh my God, you don't want to be labeled huh? Too bad, I'm labeling you a ing idiot. Yeah, that's right, the government in it's infinate wisdom decided that they want to screw the American economy and cost the country thousands of lives by flying two planes into the world trade center, bring down America's icon, fly another plane into the pentagon, fly another plane into the ground, start a war in Afghanistan, start a war in Iraq, lose all public support for the current regime, create an unstable political world, ruin the world economy, cause gas prices to go through the roof, and lose all their credibility. Is there an emoticon for "oh my God if I were around you right now I'd beat you over the head with a ing baseball bat because we've allowed you to live this long"?

[RandomGuy]

aw . Here we go.

It happens in every political message board and goes something like this:

An "innocent" question about 9-11 is asked. For a few posts the whole thing is generally discussed.

Then somebody says something along the lines of

"but what about X, I read it on the internet, it must be true and obviously points to something other than highjacked civilian jetliners because there is some kind of government conspiracy to cover up the real truth"

Invariably the thread becomes some point/counterpoint of the whole well-hashed "conspiracy" debate, and increasingly gets heated and minutely argued usually going on to hundreds of posts. My prediction is that will happen here, and this thread will be worse than a demented Vampiric Energizer Bunny.

That said, I will happily contribute to it.

[RandomGuy]

I normally try to keep a very cool, rational head, but I have long since stopped trying to reason with 9-11 conspiracy nuts.



It is my experience with conspiracy nuts, and yes, you ers are conspiracy nuts, is that you WANT to believe for the sake of your own egos that somehow YOU ALONE are the guardians of THE unvarnished uber-sinister truth.

Invariably, you assclowns are scientifically illiterate and/or incapable of solid critical thinking.

Common sense gets thrown out the window in a grab-asstic rush to “out-cynic” everybody and show how “blind you people are”, not because you have realistically weighed available evidence, talked to people personally, or actually know something about what you are talking about, but rather because it makes you feel somehow smarter than the rest of us.

Suck my ass, you self-righteous sacks of .

You aren’t “questioning” the “official account”, you are pumping up your own egos by sacrificing logic on the altar of paranoia.

[johnsmith]

aw . Here we go.

It happens in every political message board and goes something like this:

An "innocent" question about 9-11 is asked. For a few posts the whole thing is generally discussed.

Then somebody says something along the lines of

"but what about X, I read it on the internet, it must be true and obviously points to something other than highjacked civilian jetliners because there is some kind of government conspiracy to cover up the real truth"

Invariably the thread becomes some point/counterpoint of the whole well-hashed "conspiracy" debate, and increasingly gets heated and minutely argued usually going on to hundreds of posts. My prediction is that will happen here, and this thread will be worse than a demented Vampiric Energizer Bunny.

That said, I will happily contribute to it.

[RandomGuy]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, oh my God, you don't want to be labeled huh? Too bad, I'm labeling you a ing idiot. Yeah, that's right, the government in it's infinate wisdom decided that they want to screw the American economy and cost the country thousands of lives by flying two planes into the world trade center, bring down America's icon, fly another plane into the pentagon, fly another plane into the ground, start a war in Afghanistan, start a war in Iraq, lose all public support for the current regime, create an unstable political world, ruin the world economy, cause gas prices to go through the roof, and lose all their credibility. Is there an emoticon for "oh my God if I were around you right now I'd beat you over the head with a ing baseball bat because we've allowed you to live this long"?

Dude, that is exactly what "they" (DUM DUM DUM!!!) want. "They" are a massive, multi-generational cabal, bent on controlling the world (more).

Get your head out of the sand and wake up, haven't you heard the latest from Infowars.com about what you should believe? I know I read it and believe it all without questioning it in the slightest. If you weren't so blind you would too.

[johnsmith]

I normally try to keep a very cool, rational head, but I have long since stopped trying to reason with 9-11 conspiracy nuts.



It is my experience with conspiracy nuts, and yes, you ers are conspiracy nuts, is that you WANT to believe for the sake of your own egos that somehow YOU ALONE are the guardians of THE unvarnished uber-sinister truth.

Invariably, you assclowns are scientifically illiterate and/or incapable of solid critical thinking.

Common sense gets thrown out the window in a grab-asstic rush to “out-cynic” everybody and show how “blind you people are”, not because you have realistically weighed available evidence, talked to people personally, or actually know something about what you are talking about, but rather because it makes you feel somehow smarter than the rest of us.

Suck my ass, you self-righteous sacks of .

You aren’t “questioning” the “official account”, you are pumping up your own egos by sacrificing logic on the altar of paranoia.

Hands down, this is without a doubt the funniest and smartest post ever put forth on this message board. Well played RandomGuy, well played.

[Phenomanul]

These are all legitimate questions, but I think they have more to do with what we really knew about the suspected hi-jackers before 911 from foreign sources and our own intelligence agencies rather than anything else. There is also video of them entering the airport and boarding the plane, a passenger list and phone calls from some on board the plane describing the hijackers.

Let's not forget the security video at the Boston hotel where they had stayed.

[nkdlunch]

gentlemen, I live in DC and was in Rosslyn which is about a mile from Pentagon. I was at a training class on the 12th or so floor. and amazingly when the plane hit, we could walk to some office on that floor and see the wreckage. guess what?

it was a commercial plane.

also, we did not hear or even feel the plane hitting. but when walked outside we could smell the crash.


also I am one of those doubters that thinks its possible that other flight that crashed in PA was hit by a missile. why not? it makes sense.

[RandomGuy]

Hands down, this is without a doubt the funniest and smartest post ever put forth on this message board. Well played RandomGuy, well played.

Believe it or not I toned it down from the first draft.

[RandomGuy]

A few questions for those who believe the official story is complete, because I'd like to be as confident as you that our government isn't corrupt. Please answer these questions for me.


What DNA database did the US government use to analyze, compare, and confirm that the remains found in the wreckage were of the 19 hijackers?

Does hijacker remains/flesh have distinct properties that would make it stand out amongst American flesh that went unindentified? Wouldn't remains be scattered everywhere and mixed?

In a few days after 9/11, the hijackers were indentified without the slightest speculation of how they were indentified. How do you CONFIRM the inden y of 19 hijackers when you can't indentify the remains of the passengers?

Here are some questions for you to answer:

If thousands of Americans are killed in a day, how many law enforcement officials and intelligence analysts do you think would be assigned to finding out who did it?

Given your answer from the above question, how many man-hours do you think it would take to find out names and iden ies of the perpetrators without DNA evidence?

Divide the second number by the first number, what is the result?

[RandomGuy]

Aw, f*** it, I'm not even going to wait for the answer.

Let's use some common sense.

Conservative Assumption:
It would take 4000 man/hours per highjacker to identify each one. This is the equivalent of one person working full-time for 2 years (and giving him/her a two week vacation).

4000*19=76,000

Conservative Assumption #2:
There were only 1,000 people assigned/performing the task of figuring out whodunnit.

76,000/1000=76.

It would take 1000 people 3 days to produce the names of all 19 highjackers, using very conservative assumptions.

Less conservative assumption #1:
It takes 1000 hours to find the iden y of each of the 19 jackasses. (one person, full-time for 6 months)

Less conservative assumption #2:
There were 5000 people working on finding the iden ies of those 19 jackasses.

That calculation gives a real time figure of less than 4 hours.

You wanted people who question things, you got it. I doubt, however, you will like MY questions as much as you like yours.

[Ya Vez]

also I am one of those doubters that thinks its possible that other flight that crashed in PA was hit by a missile. why not? it makes sense.

except people on the plane before going down.. called their relatives on cell phones to let them know they were going to try and take over the plane, or maybe they knew the missle was coming... sheesh...

What about the people that are now missing and dead on the plane that hit the pentagon... were they taken off the plane and hidden in area 51?

[RandomGuy]

A few questions for those who believe the official story is complete, because I'd like to be as confident as you that our government isn't corrupt. Please answer these questions for me.


What DNA database did the US government use to analyze, compare, and confirm that the remains found in the wreckage were of the 19 hijackers?

Does hijacker remains/flesh have distinct properties that would make it stand out amongst American flesh that went unindentified? Wouldn't remains be scattered everywhere and mixed?

In a few days after 9/11, the hijackers were indentified without the slightest speculation of how they were indentified. How do you CONFIRM the inden y of 19 hijackers when you can't indentify the remains of the passengers?

Did anyone else also notice that the question shifted from "iden ies" to "remains"?

It is possible to tell who was on the plane without having physical remains. that is what passenger manifests are for. I would further point out that not all passengers remains were accounted for, either.

The logic of the above is:
If A, then B. If B, then C, therefore, If A, then C. Break assumption A or B and you can't prove C.

A="no remains"
B="remains are required to identify occupants" (occupants are either hijackers or passengers)
C="government is lying"

"If there are no remains(A), then you can't say for certain who was on the aircraft (B)".

If you can't say for certain who was on the aircraft(b), then the government is lying(c).

If there are no remains(a), then government is lying(c).

Logic primer for those intersted.