Some residents want SAHA to stay out of Stone Oak

[PM5K]

Reading the article again, neither one of these complexes are in Stone Oak. I don't know how "far" the impact on property values would reach, but I can't see it affecting Stone Oak.

I agree, if you live next door your ed, otherwise......

[SA210]

So keep the classes separated is a good idea?

Exactly. Let's just keep all the low income or as many people see them, "low life s bags" on one section of town.

Keep them all together in one area so that we can continue living comfortably and not worry that there is a problem with poverty. Sweep them under a rug.

Don't worry though, the holdays are coming, that's when people will act like they care about poor people, around the holidays, then it'll all go back to the same in January. Same ol same ol.

Not to mention if you are under SAHA, unless you fall under a certain category (disabled, mentally ill, going to school) you MUST work, Those are the rules.

So people need to stop stereotyping and learn something about what they are trying to talk about. And in alot of cases, if you fall under one of those categories, you have to complete a certain amount of community service "volunteer hours" to a non-profit organization per month.

And these people whom Are working, pay at Least 1/3 of their income for rent. So we need to stop it with the "5 dollar rent" nonsense.

I understand the negative with certain people in poverty (crime, drug use, etc.). I just think it's an easy label to throw around for people if you don't like them. Since most people are selfish on this subject, most will agree with those labels. Poverty is always a touchy subject, and I'll be damned if I don't speak up when people are throwing garbage out and don't even know what they are talking about when it comes to this subject.

I'll be back on later tonight, because I know people will hate what I said.

[JoeChalupa]

I agree with those who don't want this in their neighborhood. I just get a hair up my ass when people start downgrading people simply because of where they live. But that is just me.
I too moved out of the East Side of town and granted, I ain't living in Stone Oak but I didn't want my kids growing up where the crime rate is higher.
If I lived there I would too.
But I also know very good people in the lower income areas of the city.

[MoSpur]

As a homeowner in Stone Oak, I am a bit perplexed as to why they chose these two complexes for low-income housing. For an area that is known for it's higher priced housing, it seems like an odd choice. Unfortunately, it would have an effect on property values.

That being said, I don't think it's fair to say that low income = dirtbags. While there are some people in the world who are lazy and have no ambition, there are many who have simply been dealt a weird hand and they're doing the best they can.

I agree with you. I am building a home right now outside of city limits. The area is very nice and the property value is going up. I would be very upset, if they decided to put low-income housing in that area because of the property, but I would not call those people who moved into that housing project garbage or anything like that.

I don't believe that all people who can't afford to buy a $250K house and up are trash, criminals, or the like.

[JoeChalupa]

Well said SA210.

[JoeChalupa]

^I concur. I just don't want any criminals setting up illegal gambling rings in my neighborhood.


No, I don't blame you at all. I guess it is just a fact that society will alway be separated by class no matter how much Kumba Ya would be a good thing.

[PM5K]

To say something like you won't shop at the same stores as them is totally ing stupid....

Sixty four families isn't going to change a ing thing, especially with the population in that area already....

[JoeChalupa]

Maybe that is why I won't shop at the shops at La Cantera?

[PM5K]

Maybe that is why I won't shop at the shops at La Cantera?

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[Melmart1]

How can 64 families make that much of an impact. This is all much ado about nothing. That area is so ing overcrowded that I doubt anyone would have noticed if it hadn't been announced. I just find it hard to believe that a couple hundred people could affect an ENTIRE area so badly that everyone's property value is going down.

[PM5K]

I didn't say I won't I said I wouldn't want to. Even if it was 20 families it would have a financial impact. You really think I'm the only that wouldn't want to shop in this area knowing they reside there? Lots of people will want to go elsewhere....would we notice on the surface, probably not but if you owned one of those small business or shops there I bet you'd notice after half a year to a year once they are there.

I think the Katrina thread is an example of what happens when you bring low income people into areas that are middle class. A blown up version YES but the numbers don't lie.

People have moved and not shopped at places for far less reasons.

I'd rather live near those sixty-four families than next door to you...

[JoeChalupa]

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They are way out of my league is my point. Have no desire to shop there. But not because of the people but because of the prices.
I guess it depends on where you've lived. I go to the southside and eastside all the time and won't think twice to go into a store. But I'm comfortable and I actually feel out of place in the more upper class areas.

[Melmart1]

You really think I'm the only that wouldn't want to shop in this area knowing they reside there?

So just because an area has low income housing, you wont patronize the shops in that area? Dude, where the do you shop? Even Beverly Hills has low income housing. Seriously, do you eat?

[Melmart1]

There is no such thing as a risk-free area.

[1369]

You're crazy to think your typical white breed fake tied Prada wearing do nothing housewife won't crusade over this.

Hey, I live in Stone Oak, where do I get one of those?

[ChumpDumper]

Remember they have a Target an HEB a Walmart. Well off or rich people are terrified of this stuff.

Yeah, they're terrified of the people who work at those places.

[JoeChalupa]

Damn, Dirties is making me uncomfortable.

The world is a funny thing. When I worked at an upper class HEB it surprised me how many "bad checks" came in and cars got broken into and the shoplifting. And writing bad checks is a crime damnit!!

But I'm sure it is just lower income families that are shopping where they don't belong.

[ashbeeigh]

What I'm seeing here are the things the city would need to bring in to the Stone Oak area to please the people living there. It's already a very over crowded area with people who already have the ability to povide for themsleves. On WOAI Aubrey Mika spoke of the presentation where SAHA presented a single mother going to school, a disabled man, and an elderly woman living in these apartments. I'm being partial, in my bias being a complete northsider from the time I moved here at the age of 4, but wouldn't the city then need to provide buses, and clinics, and tutors, etc to please a new demographic in an already overcrowded area?

Is this also the way SAHA usually goes about proposing a new housing area? Or are they just stepping in saying they're going to buy these apartments?

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I'm just throwing random thoughts on here - and maybe I missed it with other reports: Exactly how much is this going to cost SAHA to purchase these two complexes?

I would venture a guess that it would be fairly expensive and would argue along the point that the money could be better used to either upgrade, offer more services or if they're trying to get people out of directly-affected areas of crime, a less-expensive, but nicer area of town.

But, with things like this, it's always NIMBY.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

It's the perfect plan. Move in low income housing into an overcrowded area, wait for the white flight, and problem solved. CIA SAHA?

Seriously, this sounds like a rather poorly thought out plan. I can see 100 ways this could turn into a logistical and PR nightmare in a hurry.

[leemajors]

How can 64 families make that much of an impact. This is all much ado about nothing. That area is so ing overcrowded that I doubt anyone would have noticed if it hadn't been announced. I just find it hard to believe that a couple hundred people could affect an ENTIRE area so badly that everyone's property value is going down.

it's probably not whether they make an impact, it's the perceived impact, which will be worse with all the hue and cry over this - people will panic and the value will nosedive.

[DoubtingThomas]

Should Stone Oak residents build a fence around their neighborhood to keep to undesireables out?

[johnsmith]

Should Stone Oak residents build a fence around their neighborhood to keep to undesireables out?

We already do, they're called gated communities.

[DoubtingThomas]

We already do, they're called gated communities.

I think those apartments are gated too but I'm not sure.

[MannyIsGod]

I'm just throwing random thoughts on here - and maybe I missed it with other reports: Exactly how much is this going to cost SAHA to purchase these two complexes?

I would venture a guess that it would be fairly expensive and would argue along the point that the money could be better used to either upgrade, offer more services or if they're trying to get people out of directly-affected areas of crime, a less-expensive, but nicer area of town.

But, with things like this, it's always NIMBY.

This is the only issue in my mind. If this is the best deal available to SAHA or it makes financial sense, then by all means they should follow through with it. However, if it is simply someone on a crusade to move poor family's to the Stone Oak area then I believe it is foolish and the city better find a better use for tax dollars and spend them far more wisely.

People are ing irritating. You put them in the same room, and they'll likely get along but if you tell them first that they are from different classes they come in with all kinds of predispositions and stereotypes waiting to be filled.

People have rights to a certain extent to protect their property values, but I'm not so that should be the city's main interest. If it makes fiscal sense for the city to make this move, then the property values.

, I want to see proff that this would lower them to begin with. Its such xenophobic bull .