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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    Stone Oak Residents Say stay out SAHA.

    Some residents want SAHA to stay out of Stone Oak

    Web Posted: 10/31/2006 12:46 AM CST

    Krace Grace
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    Stone Oak residents packed a meeting Monday night to speak out against a proposal by the San Antonio Housing Authority to turn two upscale apartment complexes into low-income housing.

    SAHA wants to buy the TalaVera Apartments and the Marquis at the Legends Apartments off of Loop 1604 and Blanco Road, and offer some units as subsidized housing.

    For most residents who attended the meeting at Stone Oak Elementary School, the idea just didn't sit well.

    "We need to put an end to this once and for all. You want to ruin some parts of San Antonio? Get the out of Stone Oak," said Terri Hunlee to applause at the meeting. "No, it's not fair. It's not fair that people are buying houses for $400,000 and you (SAHA) want to come in and bring in people who might be paying $5, $10, $30 rent."

    "I want to know what I can do to stop you from doing this," said Alicia Stoball, fighting back tears.

    Residents confronted the housing authority about the proposal to add mixed income housing to the two apartment complexes, worth $50 million. The proposal would make both complexes completely tax exempt.

    "It doesn't take 100 percent tax exemption on a $50 million piece of property to do affordable housing for 64 families," District 9 Councilman Kevin Wolff said.

    However, SAHA officials defended the proposal.

    "We have a responsibility to further fair housing in the city of San Antonio," said Henry Alvarez, president and CEO of SAHA.

    But at what cost to the children? Northeast Independent School District officials say they would lose $200,000 in tax money.

    "(I'm) frustrated we don't have a say in this," said Dr. Richard Middleton, the superintendent of NEISD.

    Middleton isn't the only one.

    "I guarantee you're going to affect my property values, and I'm not at all pleased about it," Stone Oak resident Cindy Tramontan said.

    "I can't change any of that. There's nothing absolutely any of us can do to change your emotions, your fears, your prejudices, your concerns. We can't," said Danielle Hargrove, vice-chair of SAHA's Board of Commissioners. The statement drew boos from the crowd.

    This is not a done deal. SAHA said it is only in the letter of intent phase. It also said it will do criminal background checks on all of these families, and it said this will not adversely affect the school district or property values.



    What say you?

    I can see both sides to this but those homes are way out of my league.

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    All the elementary schools and Reagan are capped and SAHA wants to move more families there?

    Not smart. Plus, there's enough cash in the surrounding neighborhoods to hire high-speed legal help to bog this down for a long time.

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    I agree. Money will do the talking and SAHA will do the walking.

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    This absolute garbage. I moved out of that area based on traffic and congestion but even no longer living there, I still say this is garbage.

    I've never lived in a city where the government decided to put low income housing in a middle to upper class area. What the is the point of this? There are plenty of ty ass areas in SA that they could do the same thing with, plus they'd all be living in similar housing situations.

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    So keep the classes separated is a good idea?

    Is that why some ed when the New Arena was built on the East Side?

    Just asking.

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    So keep the classes separated is a good idea?

    Is that why some ed when the New Arena was built on the East Side?

    Just asking.

    Hey, build an arena wherever the you want, but what is the point of doing this? Give me a valid reason for it on why it's necessary to build low income, tax exempt housing in a predominately upper class area.

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    It's In The Numbers 1369's Avatar
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    John, SAHA isn't going to build anything, they're going to "take over" two existing apartment complexes.

    A government (they are part of the city government, aren't they?) agency taking over and running a private enterprise, what could go wrong?

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    "I want to know what I can do to stop you from doing this," said Alicia Stoball, fighting back tears.
    L O Mother ing L...

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    "I want to know what I can do to stop you from doing this," said Alicia Stoball, fighting back tears.
    I have no idea why the kids on that side of town cry when they dont get their way.

    What a bunch of assholes. 2 housing complexes are not going to change a thing in that Reagan High School area.

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    San Antonio is a dirtbag town with the north, northeast, and northwest being the only inhabitable areas that are lacking views of news stations coming over on a nightly basis to report on a person shot in the area. Let's eliminate it and continue to drive the middle to upper class folks farther north until they are well outside of bexar county, then the local government can collect taxes from all of those people bringing in the second lowest average income for a "major" city in the United States.

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    i thought this thread was about manutd luis saha

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    I have no idea why the kids on that side of town cry when they dont get their way.

    What a bunch of assholes. 2 housing complexes are not going to change a thing in that Reagan High School area.

    2 housing complexes in a different part of town sure as won't change a thing in those areas, so why mess with a good thing?

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    Sure it will one low income ignorant piece of garbage will get made fun of because of his afro and he'll take Daddy's illegal sawed off shotgun to school and take whitey out. Then the boy and the Dad will be sent to prison and then his cousin his uncle his bothers will form a new gang and take out all the whitey's that got their boy sent away and it will end a murderous spree that never should have happened because well off people can afford to have a home away from crime ridden poor people.

    These people didn't bust their collective asses to earn a solid income only to have poor trash invest their schools and neighborhoods bringing down the value of everything because their too ing lazy to get out and get a real job and stop popping out kids for all of us to support and house.

    Thank you.

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    Just call it like I see it. If that was my neighborhood and this happened I'd burn it down. Not to mention I lived in Talavera for 4 years its nice there right on the golf course. I'd like to see all the blue hairs on the 7th hole react to a bunch of dudes sucking down 40's near the fence line. Its rediculous to house these people in such a nice place.

    Those are the apartments on Sonterra right?

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    So keep the classes separated is a good idea?


    Would you be happy buying a $500,000 home and face a very realistic possibility that you are going to lose major money on your investment?

    But hey ... at least their property taxes will go down.

    We just bought a house in an area where the appreciation rate over the last three years has been a steady 9% ... meaning that within a couple of years we will have a substantial amount of equity in our home...which will help considerably if we ever decide to sell or improve or refinance. That had no small influence on our decision to move there.

    Go put in low-income housing right next door and we'd lose a lot, if not all of that...not to mention with poverty comes more crime.

    To say that I'd be pissed would be an understatement.

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    Talavera is over looking the South Couse of Sonterra you can see it from 1604 on the hill across from the HEB. I payed 575 to 750 a month for a one bedroom. I don't think underachievers deserve such a nice place.

    Now I'm even more angry because I love playing that course. God help me if anyone says a word in my back swing.........I'm suing the SAHA.

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    Just call it like I see it. If that was my neighborhood and this happened I'd burn it down. Not to mention I lived in Talavera for 4 years its nice there right on the golf course. I'd like to see all the blue hairs on the 7th hole react to a bunch of dudes sucking down 40's near the fence line. Its rediculous to house these people in such a nice place.
    KEDA was calling it like he saw it and you attacked him. Listen, there are a lot of low-life, drug taking, crime doing people in the Upper Class neighborhoods too you know. Just because people are down on their luck or whatever does NOT make them s bags.
    I understand working hard and wanting a nice home but that shouldn't give you the right to say that just because someone isn't in your tax bracket that they are beneath you. That is just plain BS and you know it.

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    As a homeowner in Stone Oak, I am a bit perplexed as to why they chose these two complexes for low-income housing. For an area that is known for it's higher priced housing, it seems like an odd choice. Unfortunately, it would have an effect on property values.

    That being said, I don't think it's fair to say that low income = dirtbags. While there are some people in the world who are lazy and have no ambition, there are many who have simply been dealt a weird hand and they're doing the best they can.

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    Reading the article again, neither one of these complexes are in Stone Oak. I don't know how "far" the impact on property values would reach, but I can't see it affecting Stone Oak.

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    Would you be happy buying a $500,000 home and face a very realistic possibility that you are going to lose major money on your investment?

    But hey ... at least their property taxes will go down.

    We just bought a house in an area where the appreciation rate over the last three years has been a steady 9% ... meaning that within a couple of years we will have a substantial amount of equity in our home...which will help considerably if we ever decide to sell or improve or refinance. That had no small influence on our decision to move there.

    Go put in low-income housing right next door and we'd lose a lot, if not all of that...not to mention with poverty comes more crime.

    To say that I'd be pissed would be an understatement.
    Good points. I knew this would strike a nerve with some. But liike I said, those homes are WAY out of my league. The lower class is more my league and I'm not ashamed to say so.

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    I can live with it JoeChalupa's Avatar
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    Now I'll shut my s bag pie-hole and read.

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    Reading the article again, neither one of these complexes are in Stone Oak. I don't know how "far" the impact on property values would reach, but I can't see it affecting Stone Oak.
    I also don't see these complexes dropping property values to below 150k in that area either.

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    Dammit

    Im moving into the Stone Oak area in March, I dont want to see this happen.

    I have worked in low income areas, and needless to say, it wasnt a good thing.

    it was so bad where I was we had Windcrest P.D. escort us to our cars every night when we closed the store.

    I dont want that kind of stuff happening to me where I live (or going to live)

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    So keep the classes separated is a good idea?

    Nobody is "keeping" the lower socioeconomic class anywhere. SAHA wants to enable that lower class to live in an area that they could not otherwise afford. That is unfair to the people who live there that can actually afford it. These people live in that area and pay more because they want a higher standard of living. For SAHA to come in and give handouts in that area would completely contraindicate that higher standard they have sought and paid for.

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    The lower class is more my league and I'm not ashamed to say so.

    And you shouldn't be ... but I do also think it's weird that they would consider that area as a suitable place for low-income housing when everything around there is so expensive.

    I'm not buying $500,000 houses, either ... but it would just seem to me that if I were low-income and put in that area that it would just emphasize my monetary deficiencies and I'd feel waaaaay out of place.

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