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    I think you misread it ES. If you believe sexuality is wrong, remaining in the closet would be perfectly consistent with that belief...regardless of the moral implications of your belief. Otherwise, you wouldn't be in the closet.
    It could just mean your job depended on it. If you REALLY thought sexuality was wrong, you wouldn't hire a "masseur" from rentboy.com.

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    The meth made him do it.

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    I don't understand why he threw it away, because wouldn't that make it Holy meth?

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    It was pretty ed up watching him admit to buying the meth -- he was sitting in a car with his wife and kids there.

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    I saw it. How degrading.

    Wouldn't own up to the "hotel that recommended the guy" question.

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    As if there was a hotel that recommended the guy.

    Digging the hole deeper.

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    I think you misread it ES. If you believe sexuality is wrong, remaining in the closet would be perfectly consistent with that belief...regardless of the moral implications of your belief. Otherwise, you wouldn't be in the closet.
    Either you and I have a disconnect on the meaning of "in the closet," or you and I have a disconnect about the correlation between beliefs and morality.

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    I would actually expect a concierge to know something like that.

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    Either you and I have a disconnect on the meaning of "in the closet," or you and I have a disconnect about the correlation between beliefs and morality.
    One would hide a behavior they believed was wrong, wouldn't they? Otherwise, he'd be proudly gay, right?

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    Would the concierge know who he is?
    What name would someone with religous fame check in under?
    Is the concierge guilty of sin for providing such lurid pleasures to a man of the cloth?

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    Would the concierge know who he is?
    Probably not.
    What name would someone with religous fame check in under?
    His own. As far as I heard, this happened during business trips.
    Is the concierge guilty of sin for providing such lurid pleasures to a man of the cloth?
    Depends on your religion, I guess.

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    I thought Crooks would answer these questions.

    She's so forgiving.

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    One would hide a behavior they believed was wrong, wouldn't they? Otherwise, he'd be proudly gay, right?
    Yeah, you could say that or people stay in the closet because of the ramifications of others knowing one's "gayness". Just because a gay person doesn't publically proclaim their sexuality doesn't mean they believe they are wrong.

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    Would the concierge know who he is?
    What name would someone with religous fame check in under?
    Is the concierge guilty of sin for providing such lurid pleasures to a man of the cloth?

    Guess he could have done like the Kennedy's
    just have sex under the table in a public restaurant
    or be on the way to the house to vote.

    Who cares. He wasn't my spiritual counselor or
    my leader. And I have already voted.....

    Guess how! And I had a split ticket........

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    One would hide a behavior they believed was wrong, wouldn't they? Otherwise, he'd be proudly gay, right?


    You're really making me sad here.

    The point of morality is that your actual behavior reflects your beliefs as much as possible. The point of morality is not that you can create an external appearance that reflects your beliefs.

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    Guess how! And I had a split ticket........
    Me too. Did you actually pull the lever for a Dem or do you mean you also voted for the Libertarian in some cases?

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    Me too. Did you actually pull the lever for a Dem or do you mean you also voted for the Libertarian in some cases?
    It's a secret. And if I told you it would ruin me.

    I want to be able to return to the forum as an old
    grumpy ..........you know......

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    I voted for sex under the table at resturants!

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    I voted for sex under the table at resturants!
    Well okay, did you leave a tip?

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    Regarding the issue of whether someone who is gay and believes it is wrong, is that why they stay in the closet.

    One could write a thesis on the subject of the pain and anguish that people go through when they are gay and are coming to grips with it and it conflicts with their religious beliefs. I am not Psych major or even play one of the internet but I have had two friends who really went through some turmoil when they were coming to grips with their sexuality.

    To repress that is hard on them and the accept it is hard on them. Add to the mix what society thinks of them and it is really difficult.

    Sadly, both of my friends, once they decided to come out of the closet, they severed their friendships with most of the people they had been socially active with and adopted a whole new lifestyle and circle of friends. I miss their friendship and wish them well.

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    Regarding the issue of whether someone who is gay and believes it is wrong, is that why they stay in the closet.

    One could write a thesis on the subject of the pain and anguish that people go through when they are gay and are coming to grips with it and it conflicts with their religious beliefs. I am not Psych major or even play one of the internet but I have had two friends who really went through some turmoil when they were coming to grips with their sexuality.

    To repress that is hard on them and the accept it is hard on them. Add to the mix what society thinks of them and it is really difficult.

    Sadly, both of my friends, once they decided to come out of the closet, they severed their friendships with most of the people they had been socially active with and adopted a whole new lifestyle and circle of friends. I miss their friendship and wish them well.
    Yeah I can remember when I came to "grips"
    with my heterosexual tendencies and yes it was hard.. And I knew
    it wouldn't be socially acceptable except with
    my buddies. But I eventually adopted to a new
    lifestyle with the ladies in my life.

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    I like gay people. Their so damned creative and caring.

    Religion would rather brand them, or stay in the closet and pretend.

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    yes it was hard
    I don't think I'll ever stop vomitting.

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    I don't think I'll ever stop vomitting.
    Good.

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