Rev. Ted Haggard President of the National Association of Evangelicals...
Oh, the phoney Christians and the phoney patriots who are selling this country out! They make a big deal about Kerry's botched joke and think nothing of Bush's botched war.
When Bush made jokes about not being able to find the WMD's they thought it was funny. These phoney Christian Republicans wouldn't know (or like) the real Jesus.
Yes, the Rightwingers want to pass laws to make everybody "moral" and they want to bomb the rest of world into "democarcy" while we're losing our own democracy. But when you remind them of our own deficiencies they say you "hate America".
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the Reverend was gay and paid a male escort, given the GOP's history with such things,i.e. (Gannon/Guckert - Foley
Baker)http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/02/hag...ons/index.html
Flush them all out. The phoniness out there is sickening.
Although I didn't realize that the outing of "moral evangelicals" was at an epidemic proportion. And it's quite a stretch how you managed to tie it into the "Bush War" (which many Dems supported).
Last edited by jochhejaam; 11-03-2006 at 07:18 AM.
Was that him or the male escort?Another Gay/Right WIng Moral Evangelical goe down
He's resigned and from what I've heard he's admitted to some guilt.
It becomes clearer every day that the "Religious Right" has become a racket to manipulate sincere Christians into advancing the interests of the wealthy and powerful.
It is no longer about doing good; it is about doing well.
The republican party sure does have handle on the pulse of the general public with their appeal towards conservative christian values.
And they've done a good job of painting the democratic party as a bunch of soft-on-security (foreign and domestic), immoral candidates. The democrats would do well to promote candidates who are devout and are not ashamed to admit it.
I'm convinced it will be harder for the Democrats to earn the "high morality" le than it will be for the republicans to lose it, no matter how many scandals there are.
Where did you hear this? I read that he had resigned, but I've seen nothing about admission of guilt.
Church Leader Says Haggard Admits To Some Indiscretions
Interim Senior Pastor Says Haggard Admits Indiscretions
Colorado Springs
A sudden about-face in the scandal facing New Life Church's pastor.
After Pastor Ted Haggard went public Wednesday night denying allegations of a sexual affair, senior church officials told KKTV 11News Thursday evening, Pastor Ted Haggard has admitted to some of the claims made by a former male escort. The church's Acting Senior Pastor, Ross Parsley, tells KKTV 11 News that Pastor Haggard has admitted to some of the indiscretions claimed by Mike Jones, but not all of them.
Thursday morning, Jones went on a Denver radio talk show and said Pastor Haggard paid him for sex over the past 3 years. Jones also claims Haggard used drugs with him.
Right now, the situation is under investigation by an independent panel of leaders from four outside churches. The leaders are from Colorado Springs, Larkspur, Westminster and Louisiana. The panel's role is to decide if Haggard will be exonerated, released from his duties or restored to his pastorship.
Earlier Thursday, Haggard resigned as President of the National Association of Evangelicals, and placed himself on administrative leave as head of New Life Church. New Life Church has an estimated 14,000 members, while the NAE claims roughly 30 million members.
http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/4557411.html
(from a Gay and Lesbian News Site)
Parsley sent out an email to parishioners of Haggard's New Life Church in Colorado Springs Thursday, acknowledging some of the allegations made by Mike Jones, who claims he had a three-year "sexual business" relationship with the prominent pastor.
"It is important for you to know that he confessed to the overseers that some of the accusations against him are true," Parsley said in the e-mail.
"[Haggard] has willingly and humbly submitted to the authority of the board of overseers, and will remain on administrative leave during the course of the investigation."
http://www.bgay.com/bnews/news61103_...s_are_true.htm
Ah, ok, thanks. I guess that was posted after I went to bed last night.
"overseers"
great choice of word for these New Life jokers!
They obviously failed to "see", "do what they do", what a fake this pharisaical asshole was. Some "overseeing".
Not some small-time, back-country Elmer Gantry, but a gay elected as president of national associaton of evangelicals. How 'bout THEM "values"!
So much for being a far right "Christian".
"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." This man is fallible and a sinner, just like everyone else in the world. If any of these allegations are true, then he will be disciplined by the church board and will most likely lose his pastorship.
But this doesn't mean that what he preached or what he believed were wrong - it just means that he himself fell prey to the sins of the flesh and he will have to ask for forgiveness and try to rebuild his life.
That's all well and good, but that doesn't absolve him from the responsibility he has to lead a life according to God's word. And like it or not, he is held to a higher standard by the public as a figurehead for the Church.
He is an example of why I do not base my faith in God on those who serve him.
You are exactly right - those who base their faith on a man (or woman) will be sorely disappointed. This just proves out Romans 3:23 - "For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God."
He admitted to buying crystal meth from the gay escort, but claims he didn't use it. Also denies having sex with the escort -- just "massages"
And he made weekly visits to Bush in the white house. hmmmmmmmm
Something about the white house that gets everybody sexed up!
The history channel. Oh the irony.
There is undeniably something sordid about these allegations, if true. But whenever a story like arises, I scratch our head and wonder what it has to do with the merits of the issue of same sex marriage?
I guess it's supposed to be "hypocritical" for someone to have a secret sexual life while publicly opposing sexuality--but why? If you are sexual and you believe sexuality is wrong, remaining in the closet would be entirely consistent with your beliefs.
If Jones's claims about Haggard are true, Haggard plainly was not living up to his own moral principles. And of course those principles may be wrong. But Haggard's falling short of them has no bearing on their merits as moral principles.
Yoni, your head is like two marbles in a tin can.
Oh stop it, that was almost as funny as Xray
I always thought that if one believed sexuality was wrong, then refraining from sexual activity would be consistent with one's beliefs.
The way you phrased that, it sounds as if a man were tobelieve in the sanc y of marriage, then if he cheated on his wife, he would be consistent with his beliefs as long as he covered it up.
Anyway, it is not that this scandal undermines the argument against gay marriage. It is that it is eroding the moral authority of an existing political ins ution arguing against it. If the leader of an anti-abortion organization were discovered to be performing abortions left and right, it would devastate the credibility of that organization.
I think you misread it ES. If you believe sexuality is wrong, remaining in the closet would be perfectly consistent with that belief...regardless of the moral implications of your belief. Otherwise, you wouldn't be in the closet.
I always thought that if one believed sexuality was wrong, then refraining from sexual activity would be consistent with one's beliefs.
The way you phrased that, it sounds as if a man were tobelieve in the sanc y of marriage, then if he cheated on his wife, he would be consistent with his beliefs as long as he covered it up.
Anyway, it is not that this scandal undermines the argument against gay marriage. It is that it is eroding the moral authority of an existing political ins ution arguing against it. If the leader of an anti-abortion organization were discovered to be performing abortions left and right, it would devastate the credibility of that organization.
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