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Ewing made his teamates better than D-Rob did?
Exactly no supporting cast HUH, 62 win season and did they go to the finals? NO!!! The following year 59 win season and again no finals.
Ewing made his teamates better than D-Rob did?
Again, if David's team was so complete... why was David consistently doubled off of one or both of the guards??? He played the entire Houston series being doubled or triple-teamed.
Teams have paid dearly for doubling onto Duncan because he has had the luxury of being supported by shooters -- not counting the Hedo brickfest fiasco of '04 or the Anderson injury of '01...
And I need not repeat that Rodman played like a mole during the Houston series... he helped Houston more than San Antonio.
Two completely different players, with two completly different teams, that played the same (kinda) position.
Next, lets discuss if Bruce or Sean was better
Ill agree with whotts points, tp,mg>aj,vd. But I don't know where your trying to go with David being doubled teamed argument? Or Tim having shooters around him argument. Hakeem light up david during that series, not to mention the fact that Clyde, Sam cassell, Robert horry, and Kenny smith where apart of that rocket team. In retrospect that rocket team was a bad team, not bad meaning bad but bad meaning good. As for the shooters, what series are you making that argument on? If its the 05 Detroit series, Nazr was crucial for us in that series rather than our "shooters".
Manu was by far more of a crucial player in our series against Detroit than Nazr was... see games 1, 2 and 7.
As for being triple teamed... what I'm implying is that David struggled because he was constantly facing 2 or 3 defenders, and none of his shooters were able to keep his double or triple teamer honest. Houston's strategy -- smother David -- none of the other Spurs will hurt us. Game Over.
The other side of the coin is that we couldn't double Hakeem because their shooters actually made us pay... Cassell, Horry, Smith, not to mention you forgot Elie... so yeah Hakeem went off... the dude was immensely talented. If swapped (David a Rocket and Hakeem a Spur) David would have done the same to Hakeem.
You can make all the points you want, But I'm not arguing about any series played between the two. Just arguing the fact of players they were surrounded with. But just to clarify for you, I do agree that Tim has had better players around him rather than David. Although I will not take a side on this subject, bottom line is they're both Hall of Famers and have done many things for this franchise in their own way. In my opinion David=Tim, our franchise would be nothing with out either of them.
So, Ewing is better because the Knicks had to go through Jordan? Okay, except for the fact that when they made it to the finals, he didnt have to go through Jordan as he had retired (as you just said).
That 1995 Houston Rockets team that beat the Spurs in the playoffs won 47 regular season games.
47.
And they also won back to back championships. Your point?
drob was like amare in the past jus ran and dunked on everyone while tim is jus tim gettin to the hoop with less flair but still gets the job done but with more effectiveness
My point is that the Spurs should have beaten them in 1995. That 1995 Rockets team was a bad team, not bad as in meaning good, but bad as in meaning bad.
are you serious with this question? No doubt Duncan >>>> DRob. It's not even close. DRob is a great weapon in the team, Duncan IS the team
A young DRob would have owned the league now. Especially the way the game is called these days.
TD is awesome is his own right.
All I can say is I'm glad they both wore the silver and black.
come on. have some balls and pick one.
Duncan is a top 10 player all-time(probably top 5). Robinson is not.
come on. have some balls and pick one.
Duncan is a top 10 player all-time(probably top 5). Robinson is not.
Based on what, les or talent? Because if you are basing it on les.... I would remind you that teams win les... not individual players.
Listen to Duncan on that one... It takes FIVE.
I actually had to read it multiple times, Ewing > DRob? Robinson beats Ewing in everything, individual awards, numbers, team success.
And the argument is that because Ewing led teams went to finals once (twice counting 99), he is > DRob? How about the East sucking BAD outside of the Bulls in the 90's? How about Ewing having Oakley, Starks and Anthony Mason as his running mates, while DRob had only Sean Elliott/Rodman and ...... nobody else ....
Even if you take that weak argument, the logic is flawed.
Team A > Team B
Team B > Team C
Team A > Team D
Therefore Team D > Team C.
Check the awards, head-to-head during their prime years. Not even die-hard Knicks fans would argue Ewing > DRob, let alone a supposed Spurs fan.
Anybody who saw that team that year though knew they were better than that. They LOAFED through the regular season like no other team I have seen, evidently not giving a crap about homecourt. Then, once they turned it on, they were championship caliber.
You are looking too much into the ADIDAS commercial.
Duncan has been the reason why Spurs have 3 les. Conincidence? NOT.
Did we beat the Lakers or Pistons because we played great as a team? partly, but mostly because we had Duncan.
They were all better teams when you exclude Duncan.
Everytime the difference was Duncan.
Listen to Barkley on this one, if Duncan is hurting, the Clippers could win the West.
i dont understand why ppl always say duncan had better [;ayers. its not like manu and tony came on the team as all stars. who is to say that duncan's greatness didnt bring out the greatness in his teammates? part of being a great player is making those around you better. robonson had better stats, and was one of the greates in his own right...but duncan made those around him better every year.
so many years we put different people around duncan. when they work out, fols always say "spurs found another gem." or "duncan always has great teammates." no one EVER says "duncan makes his teammates better." anyway what do i know?
Duncan was/is supurb as a PF--but he hasn't had much compe ion league wise at that slot for one reason or another. He was always a better shot maker than DROB as far as pure shooting ability goes. He's not as good in pure athletic ability to run, jump and be mobile.
DROB played center at a time when there were some awfully good centers around, not like today when you can count them on two fingers. He was a better athlete than Tim and could actually get more than 2" off the ground. I think he was a better defender because he was more mobile. He had to be on most of his teams. DROB had his moments in scoring and he led the team scoring because he was the go-to guy, not because he was a great natural shooter.
Comparing teams and teammates and single events that can affect a series are pointless. Will someone in the future say: "Timmy would have won in 2006 if it hadn't been for Manu's brain fart and therefore he's better than....) Only their physical abilities are comparable and even those are so different that it's hard to make a choice.
IT's like making me choose between a beautiful blonde and a gorgeous redhead. Why choose--take 'em both.
Oh please don't give me this supposed Spurs fan crap because i think Ewing was better than Robinson. How many times did i come in here and see people talking about Tim Duncan. During the 05 finals, people on this board were talking about Timmy like he was a ing bum and riding Manu's jock. Well low and behold Manu sucks against Dallas last year and Timmy was amazing and then all these people got back on his bandwagon. So if i am disloyal for saying this then i guess all those people and they know who they are, were disloyal for saying all those things about Timmy.
Not saying Tim didn't make those around him better, because he sure did. But check out players like Vinny Del Negro, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliott, and such, players who actually had career years in Robinson's MVP season. Players who couldn't get off the bench became starters next to Robinson. Point is, you can't make steak out of burger meat.
I didn't say anything about Manu or bashed Duncan, so you are preaching to the choir.
But there is not one solid reason you can give to say that Ewing is better than Robinson. He went to the finals twice? SO what? He had better supporting cast in a weaker conference. It's comparing apples to oranges.
Robinson had more MVPs, DPoY, All NBA teams, ALl Defensive Teams, well, everything you could name, and both played their prime years at around the same time. So how could you argue otherwise in an objective manner?
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