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TD - One more Ring than Robinson. 2005.
Okay I am a bartender at a sports bar and it seems like every year everyone gets into who was the better player....
Drob was a in hoss won almost every indvidual le possible in the NBA. Along with a quad double, 71 points in one game, and 2 gold medals. He also probably played with less talent and a MUCH higher level of compe ion then Duncan has although he never got to the finals till Duncan arrived.
Timmy though has pretty much been the ideal leader wich Dave never seemed to be and even though he dosnt have the stats to back him up like Robinson he has 2 mvps, 1 more ring and as long as he is even 50 percent the spurs are still one of the teams picked to win every year.
Myself I love Tim and wouldnt trade him for anyone, but big D if he had played in his prime with the lower levels of compe on that are around today (easp at the center position) would far eclipse Duncan..... Hey it is pretty nice to have had two such great players to compare though
TD - One more Ring than Robinson. 2005.
Robert Horry...3 more rings than Duncan.
Can we not do this again? Can someone resurrect one the countless other threads about this?
I hate this thread. Seems like it comes up about once a month. Man, a lot of us, at least myself, took David for granted so many years. Even at age 38, with a destroyed back and a bum knee, he was still better than anyone else the Spurs have ever had at center.... by far. I know I won't make the same mistake with Tim, even if TP or Manu are putting up better PPG.
True...
All that has to be said is that Timmy's supporting casts have been far better than David's were before Tim's arrival.
Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan. Duncan.
etc.
Robinson is HOF great, but Duncan understands the game far better.
We're fortunate to of had both on our team.
D-Rob in his prime was an athletic wonder. Tim in his prime was an unstoppable post player.
I think the separation might be Tim's skills in the post. While David Robinson was an inexplicable athlete in terms of agility and quickness for his size, the one valid knock on him was his inability to ever develop a solid back-to-the-basket game for a center. Tim was such a perfect complement to D-Rob because D-Rob could play the high post in the high-low offense.
They were both extremely good defenders. Both capable scorers. But, again, you cannot dismiss the fact that the Spurs didn't win it all until Tim joined the Spurs. And, then the Spurs won it again without David.
David is one of the greatest centers in the history of the game. Tim Duncan is the best power forward ever to play the game.
Robinson was great but Tim is greater.
Good post.
I have said this before and i truly believe it. Ewing was a better player than Robinson, so to me Duncan is vastly better. D-Rob was the centerpiece of so many 50 plus win Spurs teams and they never got to a finals until Duncan got there. The Knicks had to deal with Jordan and the Bulls every damn year, they went to the finals and won it all. Who did the Spurs have to deal with in the west, that prevented them from going to the finals. Sonics, Jazz, Blazers, Suns, Rockets all these teams were rotating in and out of the finals and the Spurs with D-Rob never made it.
The Spurs won without David due to the resurgence of the back court -- the le in '05 was due in large part to Manu's heroics - and not to mention a performance for the ages by Big Shot Rob at the Palace.
Give David that type of supporting cast throughout his career and history would have told a different story -- as in being able to win without Tim.
Once Tim won it without David he cemented his legacy forever as being the better player. Most already believed he was but the le in 05, only further confirmed it.
les alone should not be the determining factor.... otherwise Parker >>>> Stockton... and we all know that this is not the case (at least not yet)
As if Terry mings, Rod Strickland, and Sean Elliot were bums.
During their short overlapping prime vs. prime matchups spanning '89-'94 Robinson completely schooled Ewing. Look it up.
Do you mean, Jordan went to the finals and won it all? Or the Knicks (with Ewing did?) If you meant the Knicks, they never won. They lost.
And on most peoples list, its Hakeem > Robinson >>> Ewing
Boy the Spurs front office sure are some dumbasses for paying Parker and Manu 6-9 million per season...
All they need is Duncan...why waste all that money?
Let me see... Rod Strickland comitted a series defining turnover... in a game 7, no less.
mings only had 2 good post seasons - he was hurt for the other ones...
Elliott wasn't clutch 'till 1999, the year the Spurs won their first le - and even then that year the deadliest post-season shooters on the squad were Mario Elie and Jaren Jackson - not Elliott.
I might as well mention Rodman... who bewilderingly enough became a 3pt chucker for us against Houston... and who consistently let his man drain 3 after 3 after 3 against us (Horry).
No... I would say it would be unfair to compare Tim and David solely on their post season successes considering that Tim's teams were by far more complete, clutch and deep...
Bull ...
Everyone knows, Vinny Del Negro = Manu
Vinny Del Negro also = Clyde Drexler, Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade for that matter.
What i said was implied by the rest of my post when i said who did the Spurs have to deal with, that prevented them from going to the finals? The answer is that there was no dominant team in the west during those years that should have prevented the Spurs from getting there at least once. I don't want to hear about stats, who scored more points against who. The only number that means anything is that Spurs went to ZERO finals in the D-Rob era before Duncan showed up. Ewing and the Knicks went once when Jordan retired and lost to the Rockets. You can't count 99 because Ewing got hurt, although they would have lost anyway. Hakeem was better than both D-Rob and Ewing so they lost the 94 series. D-Rob never won anything until Timmy got there, so the overall perception is that Timmy is the better player.
What about the 94-95 season?
Tim has had the better supporting cast, that is for certain. From one perspective, that may hamper him a bit though because he has had good players he can defer to at times which has kept his own numbers down. There were a few years there where he could have topped 30 ppg if he was willing to be more selfish. Tim's career high for shots per game is around 18. Kobe Bryant has topped 30 ppg twice in his career needing 23 & 27 shots per game in those seasons.
And it's evident that there are some on this board who already have forgotten how good DRob really was. Ewing???
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