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his value could only be truly evaluated in playoff time, remember he's untested
And a better catcher and is on better positions then Mohamed was.
Add the bball IQ and for now Elson was a good choice.
I definitely agree that he has a much higher bball IQ than Nazr.
That is true.
his value could only be truly evaluated in playoff time, remember he's untested
So, did I get a promotion?
Just kidding.
That kind of makes me think that we are placing all of our eggs in his basket.
I find that Tim Duncan is our key to playoff success.
but since this thread is about him being a faster nazr, well nazr has at least established himself as a gd contributer come playoffs, so being a faster nazr will have to contribute in the playoffs, make key plays and of course, be faster than him.
I am not clear about Nazr's contribution during the playoffs. He did okay against the Suns in 05. On the other hand, as I pointed out earlier, the Suns make every big look like an all star (e.g. look at the Lakers). Moreover, apparently, Pop didn't feel that Nazr contributed that much to our team in the playoffs or he would have played him last year, wouldn't he.
Certainly, he is faster than Nazr. Against the Suns, Elson looks every bit the world beater than Nazr was against them. Suns defense will not improve markedly in the playoffs.
I'm clear on Nazr's contribution to the 2005 le. He was a key factor in a number of wins and contributed decent numbers and it wasn't just against the Suns either. I remember Nazr and Ginobili carrying the Spurs during a stretch in pivotal Game 5 against the Sonics when the rest of the team was sucking ass. He picked it up at key moments just like the rest of the team so I don't see the need to short-change the guy.
And Popovich didn't play Nazr last year because he was an idiot that let the Mavs dictate what kind of lineup he put on the floor before the first game was even played...and he didn't try to adjust once.
Perhaps we will just agree to disagree. He was a terrific person from what I heard. I am not trying to short change the guy.
I am not saying necessarily that I agree with Pop's strategy, but if Nazr was not going to put up numbers on the offensive end and he was a liability against Dallas on the defensive end since he could not guard Nowinski, then Pop's decision has something of a rational basis and can be defended. In Pop's mind, the liabilities of having Nazr on defense against the Mavs were greater than the benefits of having him on offense against them. It is possible that he was right. We just don't know.
Tim and Manu were the main keys to us beating the Sonics, e.g. Game 6.
At times, he helped us some against the Pistons, on some of our home games.
However, I feel that we are in danger of overstating his contributions (by being overly generous) if we claim that he was a key factor in the Spurs championship in 2005. Brent Barry, for example, seemed to be more important than him. He was on fire and helped us a lot against the Suns, and the Suns weakness is more against good bigs. He provided some passing and back up point guard skills when Beno couldn't get the ball past half court on the road against the Pistons.
Let's remember that we are talking about a career five points and six rebound a game guy. How crucial can he be?
Let's remember that we are talking about a career five points and six rebound a game guy. How crucial can he be?
I mean, am I just really wrong here, Boutons?
Maybe Nazr was indeed a world beater and I just missed it every time that I watched all of the games which I saved on DVR (they occupied so much of my space for so long).?
Elson' s got scissors hands like Nazr, so I don't see the difference between them two.
We never should have traded away the key to our entire Spurs success, the great Nazr Mohammed!
We are doomed, Chumpdumper, doomed, I tell you!
Sorry, took it out -- thought you were talking about Elson.
Nazr has some talent. Was just a bad fit.
Well, I am just going to hope that last game was an anomaly, like K-State Spurs fan suggests.
Else, Elson does have scissor hands like Nazr.
Well, maybe I was wrong then. Wouldn't be the first time.
I just thought Elson > Nazr.
Do you feel that way about Rasho, Chumpdumper?
He seemed to be a slightly better fit just because he could operate in the Spurs' defensive system better. Rasho would likely still be here if he wasn't getting paid so much. I don't know if any one center will ever fit the Spurs' needs for what we're paying them.
As for Nazr, maybe the lost training camp would've helped some, but I didn't see a whole lot of evidence to support it.
Elson's running is something that has been sorely lacking from the five spot since DRob retired. I think Elson is off to a good start learning the system, but he has a ways to go.
Robert Horry has averages 7 points 5 rebounds for his career (only 5 points and 3 boards as a Spur). I guess his presence wasn't crucial for the 2005 le either.Let's remember that we are talking about a career five points and six rebound a game guy. How crucial can he be?
In response, I would have to say the obvious: Without Robert Horry's 5 of 6 3's and scoring 21 points in game 5, the Spurs probably don't win the Finals. Nazr Mohammed didn't do anything similar. Moreover, Horry is a better team defender than Nazr.
I am sure that you are aware of this already, so I can't imagine what your response will be. Please notice that the reason that he was important is something he does not share with Nazr, viz. game winning shot in game 5 of the playoffs and 21 points against the Pistons in that game.
Makes sense. I can see that.
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