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David Robinson OWNED Shaq until his back went south , both in numbers and head to head victories.
shaq was a baby then but he could give a fight against these.
David Robinson OWNED Shaq until his back went south , both in numbers and head to head victories.
That really is not all that true. Even with a broken back and Shaq at his peak, Robinson held his ground on defense when guarding Shaq. Check the series stats of 2001 and 02.
lol no kidding, maybe even Dave Cowens
I did. My opinion hasn't changed. IMO, Shaq was the most dominant low post force since Chamberlain and possibly ever. That still doesn't mean David sucked or anything because he didn't.That really is not all that true. Even with a broken back and Shaq at his peak, Robinson held his ground on defense when guarding Shaq. Check the series stats of 2001 and 02.
2001: In a 4-game sweep, Shaq averaged 27.0 points and 13 rebounds on 54% shooting in just 38 minutes per game.
I guess DRob looked good in comparison to the rest of the team trying to guard Bryant and Fisher that year.
The lack of a post up game is a BS criticism anyway...I don't give a flip what his post moves were, there was no one that could defend him one on one or stop him from getting to the basket. The only way to stop him was to foul him. Even at the end of his career guys like CWebb weren't quick enough to keep up with Drob if he was going to the basket on them. You bailed out and you fouled him...
That is the fact about his offensive game and that is why he kicked the out of any of these C's who tried to guard him.
Guarding Drob was a battle to stay off the bench in foul trouble. That was his post up game.
Drob sucked when he was double teamed...guess what, most C's do including Duncan and Shaq and Wilt. And unlike Shaq and Wilt and Duncan come to think of it...fouling DRob was not a smart move because he was a damn good FT shooter. Hakeem probably handled double teams better than any of them...but he still needed teamatates to punish opponents who doubled him. When he got them he won. When Shaq got them when he won. When Duncan has it, he wins.
Drob never had that....
His postup game was so ty that he was usually doubled and tripled by the Rockets and Jazz in the playoffs.
And DRob was still to fast for Shaq even as an old man...the only reason his offense sucekd was because we didn't run plays for him. We ran them for Duncan. When we did them for DRob...he'd put up numbers on Shaq good. He put them up on the Blazers as well in 99.
Drob was a of a lot better than he gets credit for being, even from Spursfans...he never had a great supporting cast, and he did better than any of them with a ty supporting cast.
And none of those guys won with a ty supporting cast either. Shaq was the ty supporting cast last year.
Duncan has only had one coach. 50 had how many - Brown, Tark, that loser guy for one game, Lucas, Hill, maybe I'm forgetting someone...
While 50 didn't have the best players he had good players. But outside of asswipe Larry Brown, he never had a good coach until he was out of his prime. That, to me, is the biggest tragedy. He wasn't the go to guy with the game on the line like Manu is, but, for the vast majority of the rest of the game he was a statistical wonder. He made the team immensely better. This sounds like a dig, but he was the best role player of all time. He didn't want to be the star but he dominated the game through sheer force of raw talent. His rookie year was one of the best rookie years of all time. Ever. And yes, he would fare much better in today's sleeker game. Hakeem was a better basketball player in the end but they were of equal talent.
Hey now, Rex Hughes won that game! He never lost as Spurs coach!that loser guy for one game
You forgot Bob Bass who took over for Larry Brown before Tark came in.
Seriously though...good points.
Sorry, wrong years.
2001: In a 4-game sweep, Shaq averaged 27.0 points and 13 rebounds on 54% shooting in just 38 minutes per game.
I guess DRob looked good in comparison to the rest of the team trying to guard Bryant and Fisher that year.
Should have been 2002 and 2003.
Shaq averaged 44%, 12.2 rpg, and 21.4ppg in 2002 vs the Spurs, and 56%, 14.3rpg, and 25.3ppg in 2003 vs. the Spurs.
These are still great numbers by most people’s standards, but given that DRob was singling Shaq in many plays, and with a broken back at an advantage, I wouldn’t say that DRob, Olajuwon and Ewing together in their primes couldn’t stop Shaq.
1. Jabbar
2. Wilt
3. Shaq
4. Hakeem
5. Admiral
Shaq moved up the list after last season. As PJax would say, winning a championship without Kobe was a huge feather in his cap.
there's one thing that I can say about DRob.. besides talents, I think he is an incredibly intelligent and humble sports person. Even in his last year in Spurs uniform, he did all the right things to win them the championship, and that did not just include taking a secondary role to Duncan (that to me is the smartest move of all from DRob). That included boxing out, being at the right place at the right time to block or swat away slashers, just playing defense immensely well. There is a reason why Spurs still have not found the replacement for DRob after all these years.
You mean fundamentals and team play wins championships? Robinson is a great center and I don't appreciate people telling me he "couldn't post-up." Admittedly, I ususally saw him only when he played the Suns (who never had a dominant big man to counteract D-Rob) and he could make some nifty moves from anywhere 15-feet in on the court.
What about Kevin Duckworth???
Ex-Spur.
Robinson was better as a face-the-basket player than as a back-to-the-basket player. He was potent offensively, but never developed that consistent, unstoppable "go-to" move. Duncan came out of college already with a more polished offensive game than Robinson, though David in his prime was three times the athlete Duncan was in his prime.
I wouldn't put Jabbar in David's Era since Jabbar was leaving the league as Dave was entering. Wilt wasn't even in the league when Dave came in. Shaq didn't become his dominant self until after David had reached his prime. Dave's comp in his prime was Hakeem and Ewing. Ewing was over-rated and was in a lot of posters getting dunked on. Dave was a center that had moves like a forward. Hakeem was a center that had moves like a guard. Hard to argue with the list above (except swtiching #1 and #2) if we are talking all-time. But in Dave's prime the only other guy out there better was Hakeem.
Hey Sobe Kucks, I love the name!
@C Childs. Thanks! Your collage is pretty tight. I may get one made for my wall.
95 rockets > 95 spurs
drob couldn't carry the team and hakeem didn't have to.
as far as what it took to win a championship, duncan probably doesn't win in 99 (drob took over the games that duncan didn't) and 03. maybe even 05, i believe that duncan learned so much from drob.
kb24 hasn't learned that it's a team game. fortunately for kobe bryant, the player is smarter than the fan.
Because Wade is just a role player.... I see.
I was being sarcastic. PJax said the same about TD when he won ring number three in '05.
Negele Knight.
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