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David Robinson was very underated in his time. Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, Dikembe Mutombo, and Alonzo Mourning were in no way as good as David Robinson.
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I'd say only Hakeem was better than DRob during his prime years.
in playoffs yes
but in the regular season.....drob in head to head matches had the better of it....too bad he didnt show up in the playoffs...we were always a win away from finals...
DRob is my favourite player ever, and will always be, but I have to agree with this. No-one else was close to those guys though. Knicks fans would say Ewing was, but he was a class below, and I used to love watching David school Shaq during his first 5 years.
David Robinson rules.
In one instance, the Spurs were two wins away from the Finals. That was while Hakeem was completely dominating David.
Besides that, the Spurs never even got out of the second round, at least until Duncan came to town.
A Team with David Robinson and Charles Barkley could easily get to the ECF.
a team with Robert Parish could easily get to the ECF (this year).
Without a doubt, Robinson is my fav player of all time. Hakeem was better, and more dominant. He possessed things that Robinson didn't have. Might have been the coaching, might have been other things. But Hakeem was better. To simplify things, we played them once in the playoffs, with home court advantage, in the WCF, choked like (especially in game 1), etc...
Last edited by SAtown; 12-18-2006 at 12:41 AM.
Yes. He could even play in Olympics or WC semifinal and not get defeted more than 10 pts.
No legitimate argument could ever hold ground favoring Ewing over Robinson. Exactly, Oz.DRob is my favourite player ever, and will always be, but I have to agree with this. No-one else was close to those guys though. Knicks fans would say Ewing was, but he was a class below, and I used to love watching David school Shaq during his first 5 years.
Even though Shaq and Robinson's careers overlapped for 11 years, I think you have to consider Shaq to be in a different "time" than Robinson.
Ewing, Dream and DRob all reached their primes all at the same time and had amazing, memorable matchups between them. In addition, they'll all within 3 years of age of each other. Shaq on the other hand is 10 years younger than Ewing, 9 years younger than Dream, and 7 years younger than David. He reached his prime after all three were either kinda washed up (DRob), totally washed up (Dream), or already assistant coaching (Ewing).
The real question that people should be asking is who was a better center between DRob and Shaq, considering that Shaq's career is pretty much doneskie. Shaq was David's until DRob's back went to , then DRob was Shaq's when he was old and tired. As far as the stats go, it looks like Shaq has David beat by 5.2 ppg, about 1 rpg, and 6% better FGs. Robinson was a much better shot blocker and overall defender (his third year in the league, he averaged 2.3 steals and 4.5 blocks per game...that's just ridiculous). Robinson also shot 21% better FTs. If you give Shaq three more years of mediocrity, his scoring and rebounding averages will dip just like DRob's did.
Shaq's got 1 MVP, so does David. Shaq also has 8 All-NBA First Teams compared to David's 4 (but consider Shaq's compe ion for that award was ridiculously less than DRob's). Shaq has three Finals MVPs, but he also made it to the Finals three times as the number 1 guy, whereas DRob won his rings as the number 2 (or number 5 or 6) guy. DRob has a DPOY, and Shaq hasn't really ever been strongly considered for that award.
In the end, if you're asking the question who was more dominant, you have to go with Shaq since his best years were as good as David's, but he had more of them. If you're asking about skill, it's obviously DRob since passing skills are probably a wash but DRob is better at everything else (unless you count shoving people out of the way with an elbow to the face and then dunking on them, a category in which Shaq is the greatest of all time). If you're asking about who would win a 1-on-1 matchup between prime David and prime Shaq, I think you'd have to take David just because he could shoot middies over Shaq all game and still do a good job of defending him down low. If you're asking who would I pick first on the playground, I think I'd pick David for two reasons:
a) I'm a Spurs homer and he's my favorite player of all time, and
b) Shaq would go number two, and I'd take my chances with DRob playing defense on him while being able to beat everyone down the floor after grabbing a defensive rebound and throwing down some sick alley-oop. Shaq can't stop that .
DRob was a pimp.
If he was on the Lakers his whole career a ton of would have been built and said about him being one of the best players ever to grace a court. He didn't. He stayed in SA and stayed low key and obviously honor means more than praise to godly men.
I was as big of a DRob fan as there was.....and I would put him #2 behind of Hakeem. I still think David is one of the best all time and a Hall of Fame player...more importantly (at least to me) he was a Hall of Fame person and in that regard I would put him #1.
I would agree with that.....David was on his way down when Shaq was hitting his peak. Down low, David, Hakeem and Ewing together could not stop Shaq...where David was succesful against him, especially early in Shaq's career, was when David could draw him outside of the paint and then go around him to the basket thanks to a quicker first step.Even though Shaq and Robinson's careers overlapped for 11 years, I think you have to consider Shaq to be in a different "time" than Robinson.
What made him so good is that he could rebound, shoot the jumper, score from the post, and run the floor with the best of them. That's why an up-tempo game could always work during the Robinson years, but most of you act like such a game is sacriligious in the Spurs realm.
Uh, David could score in the paint, usually via a flash cut or a drive, but his miniscule post up game is why I give Hakeem the edge. David was really much more of a "4" on offense. I would give him a slight defensive edge on Dream, though. Dream was a great defender, but DRob was the best of the modern era at the "5" spot.
And look at all those championships it won.
Robinson never could "score from the post" in any consistent way.
A young David Robinson would have owned today's game.
What post player today could have stood in front of David in his prime and stopped him from going to the basket without grabbing and holding on (even worse than in his day)?
With David's speed and ability to elevate he would have either made a basket or shot free throws every time he went to the hoop. And on defense? Forget about it...David would have owned the sorry excuses we have for centers in the league now.
Imagine Steve Nash feeding Robinson the ball. Scary to think about. David was Amare to the 3rd power.
40pts...17boards...7 blocks, on an average night.
I forgot how well Ben Wallace can... at least Robinson has 2 championships...
David Robinson was a Cream Puff who could only play weak-side defense, and rode Tim Duncan's coattails into glory.
AMEN
Last edited by KB24; 12-17-2006 at 09:47 PM.
Hakeem and Ewing were better and I agree with Kobe up there.
Ewing was a loser, but most here have acknowledged that Hakeem was better.
The big coattail rider these days has been revealed as Kobe.
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