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Is the game on national tv?
its the regular season, anything can happen. we beat the Spurs by 20 early in last year's season
Is the game on national tv?
Yeah - TNT... I forget who is in the second game.
Nuggets and Sonics. Ray Allen will miss the game for the birth of his child, so not much to watch except for AI
Umm, you do realize JHo had only played one game before the last Spurs game because of an injury right? He had limited minutes (16 to be exact) and score 12 points in those 16 minutes... less minutes > Bowen's D when it comes to JHO...or maybe you're talking about the first game of the season where he scored 20 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists in 35 min of play?...my point is, JHO's numbers RARELY plummet and I don't see the Suns with their *great* defense causing JHO's numbers to plummet. I understand what you're saying but stating the obvious doesn't make you a genius...putting three guys on MJ would make his numbers plummet too, big wow.
Right because they weren't healthy at the beginning of the season. I don't make excuses for the Mavs ty start, I'd expect the Suns not to make any either...oh wait, it's a Spurs fan talking, that explains it.
Oh I see, so two days AFTER the Mavericks win against the Suns, Amare was miraculously healthy again....TWO days later when he went 10-14 for 25 points, along with 14 rebounds and two blocks. Haha, alright, whatever.
There's a difference between an excuse and a reason. Blaming the refs for a loss is an excuse. Saying your team committed too many fouls is a reason.
I think you'd be hard pressed to prove that there's no correlation to injuries or injured players having an impact on team chemistry. Certain players playing hobbled, playing careful in limited minutes with new players or players they hadn't played with in over a year... certainly that's a reason for some early season struggles. Not year long. But certainly for a period of time.
My point is that Amare had a great game with 25 minutes of playing time two days after he played the Mavericks, he was healthy. Against the Mavericks he played 35 minutes and did so-so, not terrible but average. You really think they would've played him 35 points had he not been healthy? Their win streak began about a week later, not much changed with his health or game (they played like two games in-between?). All I'm saying is that we played them healthy, if you're not healthy don't play and use it as a *reason* later when you lose. Had they won, it wouldn't even be an issue...and they nearly did win, they were shooting lights out. Of course injuries affect a team's chemistry but Amare played some summer ball, had pre-season and it's not like there were any big changes at the top so he had plenty of time to get adjusted...and, he was healthy when he played us, he just didn't play well. It's not like he hasn't had off games during the streak, he's had several sub-20 games in December.
You sure did that, good luck tomorrow...umm, I'm talking about your 2 on 2 basketball game...even luck won't help your Suns boyz tomorrow!!!
Seriously, should be a very good game tomorrow assuming one side doesn't blow out the other which I don't think will happen.
In the five games prior to the 35 minutes played vs. Dallas, Amare had averaged just 15.2 minutes per game. I'd say when one player gets more than double his current average of minutes played, it will certainly have an affect on chemistry, as the player whom was getting those other 20 minutes wasn't on the floor as much, which means those who shared time with him on the floor no longer are. Also, factor in that Diaw was still a fatass and you have two players working themselves back into playing health/shape at the expense of others. Bell also missed the game.
While Amare may have been capable of production, was said production within the current team plan? How much did his teammates have to adjust to him getting 20 extra minutes than they were used to? How did their diminished shot attempts affect their stroke? Since Amare is strictly an attack the basket type of player, either off the two-man pick-n-roll or in the post, how did they adjust to just standing around waiting for something to happen rather than moving around creating something, either off screens or off the dribble?
In the five games prior not only averaged 15.2 minutes per game, but a mere 8.8 PPG on just 5.8 shots per. Dallas was certainly the one of the first games of Amare's progression, but to say his team was able to play the same with him as they had played without him is laughable.
As I've said, this Suns team and this Mavs team are completely different animals than the two teams that battled in a pretty closely-fought contest in early November. Each team struggled early. Each team has had a double-digit win streak since. To expect something based on that game seems a bit off to me.
Still, I place a lot of stock in this game. Dallas is a very good team and its strength is one of the Suns biggest weaknesses - rebounding. Still, I think the Suns are plenty capable. We'll just have to see...
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How much did his team adjust? HAHAHAHAHA, check the stats and you'll see how much they had to adjust, they could've all score 50 apiece had he not played!!! So alright, you wanna stick to this he was healthy right after the Mavs game, haha, go ahead homer, it's fine with me, I could give a . Hope he's feeling well, his minutes have fallen off the last three games.
I'll agree to disagree with you, good luck tomorrow JMJ!
Which is exactly the angle you're taking, isn't it? Since your 0-4 Mavs won that game, then proceeded to win eleven more before their next loss, all was right.
However, had your Mavs lost and dropped to 0-5, perhaps Chemistry issues or mental weakness would have been a *reason* and the message I now preach would be typed from your keyboard.
Fact is, I'm still baffled as to why the Mavs started out as poorly as they did. It's not really like they had injured players they were getting reacclimated, or players out with injury. I know Terry struggled early, but it's not like the Mavericks offense really depends on a drive-n-dish PG to generate points. Perhaps you could explain. Just be careful not to say that these struggles had an affect on the win/loss record, 'less the *reason* be dubbed an excuse
As I've said over and over again, both teams are a complete 180 degrees different than they were in that game. Players that were out of shape or injured are now productive and are such within a team concept.
There will be no *reason* why the Suns can't win this game. They are healthy, they are productive on both ends and they are acclimated to each other. If they don't, it's because they got beat, not because they lost.
OK? No excuses from my end.
Play who ya got
Beat who ya play
Never let yourself be in a position where one bad play/call can cost ya a win
That's my manifesto.
You're still not getting it. Prior to Dallas, he was a role player. Not many points on not many shots. In Dallas, in big minutes and with more shots, he was more. Sure, in that game, Amare was good, but how did his good affect his teammates, many of whom, like Diaw, Jones, Thomas and Barbosa to an extent, hadn't played significant, if any, minutes with him. Hadn't shared significant shots with him. Hadn't had to adjust offensively or defensively to his touches or his presense.
I'd say the game prior to Dallas, the one vs. San Antonio, was the game where Amare started becoming Amare again. But it was a process. It took some getting used to. Not only did they have to adjust to what he took, but he had to adjust to what they took. Remember, three of his teammates, JJ, Richardson and Jackson, were no longer with the team. Chemistry is developed through familiarity and repe ion. Something that his limited role in limited minutes prior to the game against Dallas just hadn't afforded.
I don't see why this is so hard for you to understand.
Also, could you at least explain what you meant when you claimed the Suns hadn't beatin' the Mavericks since Josh Howard was a rookie?
I just don't get that. You said it twice, so it couldn't have simply been a slip.
Just wondering. You seemed anxious to critique my line of thought. Hows abouts a little clarification on yours? Could your "Josh was a rookie" argument possibly be contrued as a *reason* why the Mavericks lost to the Suns in those games in question? That is inexperience with teammates and role within a team possibly had an ill affect on his team's chances within a game? That his level, at the time, wasn't up to his current ability? Is that where you are headed, or like you and my comments on chemistry and player reacclimation affecting a games, am I taking the ball and running in directions never intended?
Anyways...
"... You's gots so 'splainin' chu do!!!"
- Ricky, "I Love Lucy"
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Two different posts. Both seem to claim that an inexperienced and unacclimated rookie (Josh Howard) had an ill affect on your Mavs chances vs. the Suns.
Again, I'm not sure when this time was, since Howard was a rookie over three seasons ago, but the fact that you're infering something that you've blasted me for seems a bit ironic, no?
That said players inexperience and unfamiliarity with his teammates possibly affected the outcome of a game or two? That as said player got more and more familier with his role and his teammates, that said team was better off than when he was getting (re)acclimated? It's, at the very least, implied.
you wrote all this while i was away doing stuff? haha, get a life, i'm not reading all that crap, don't have the patience or time right now. BTW, I edit a lot after re-reading what I write and realizing that I made a spelling/grammatical error so don't make assumptions about my *edits*...just to answer one of your more pressing questions (i'm laughing as i write this), what i meant with the jho reference is that the suns beat the mavs in the playoffs three season ago when jho was a rookie, comprende ese? *shakes head*...alright, back to playing some xbox with my friend
btw, yes THIS IS AN EDIT, RIGHT HERE, THIS PART...i never used jho's rookie status as a reason for our loss in that series three years ago, there were several reason we lost...don't take stuff out of context...i merely mentioned that jho has evolved as a player from three years ago, which IS a fact
Mavs will finally dim the suns. Josh Howard will have a big game. The suns will get badly outrebounded as well. These 2 things will decide the game imo.
probably for the same reason that we dont understand why you think the Suns are a good defensive team. it simply makes no sense, except to the clueless.
the bookies have mavs favorite to win this game....
i like the suns oddss though
Posts on the topics within this thread...
Ponky, 11
JMJ, 8 (counting this one)
So, you can say I'm the one who hasn't got a life, but you've still posted more and on more topics than I... Solly Cholly...
BTW, The season that Josh Howard was a rookie, the Suns missed the playoffs. The next season, Howard's second in the League, was the year the Suns beat Dallas 4-2 in the Semi-finals.
But, I fail to see how that has anything to do with anything as I can just as fittingly say that your Mavericks haven't ever defeated the Suns with Amare in the playoffs.
Neither has adds any finality to the topic. Neither closes the book as if to say, "Well, one team has a player that the other hasn't beatin' in a years. Guess we know the outcome before the games are played."
And, you can revisionist spin the comments anyway you want, but you were certainly using Howard's status, inexperience and unfamiliarity as a crutch for why the Mavs lost back then. Now that said player has improved, said team he plays for chances have improved. Which, if you take names and teams out, is exactly what I was saying.
Nice try, but...
"NEXT!!!"
- Soup Nazi, "Seinfeld"
Prediction:
Suns - 114
Mavs - 107
Dirk's Flops - 119
Sun's Score - 120
Mavs Score - (less than 120)
Josh Howard's chest pumps - 25
Jason Terry's lip puckers - 35
Number of posts ing at me about this - approx. 20
Man, I slept in until 11 today and the game is still 7 hours away...
Nash's Assists - 12 or more
Amare's Dunks - at least 5
Marion's Dunks - at least 5
Barbosa's/Bell's Threes - at least 8
Rebounding Margin - Mavs +15
Amount of defense played - ZERO.
Wins against the Mavs after this game - ZERO.
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