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Wow Kori, we were on the same wavelength... Interesting...
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Help Americans Vote Act was just passed in 2002 mandating all polling places nationwide to allow anyone to vote, thus creating the "provisional" ballots. If that's the case, then you probably don't have much to go on with this statement ...
But I'll give you another statement, just to see your retort ...Historically, 80% of Provisional ballots go to democratic candidates.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti.../8/94804.shtmlHistorically, most provisional ballots are bogus. According to The New York Times, in a March 2004 Chicago election — where provisional ballots were actually cast in the names of “Ben Affleck” and “Pancho Villa” — fully 93 percent of the provisional ballots were disqualified.
Wow Kori, we were on the same wavelength... Interesting...
That's what I understand as well. This is the first presidential election with provisional ballots, right?I think you may be talking about absentee ballots anyway, because, if I recall correctly, this is the first election where we are allowing provisional ballots. (I could be wrong though)
So far as I know.
This is the first year that provisional ballots are used nationally. They have been used before in various states, but I'm not sure about New Mexico, however, it's not hard to believe that 80% of these ballots will go democratic since they are more likely to be from poorer, urban areas.I think you may be talking about absentee ballots anyway, because, if I recall correctly, this is the first election where we are allowing provisional ballots. (I could be wrong though)
The cartograms show the actual vote in a geographic representation.
It might not be hard for you to believe. But you just made that 80% number up. Admit it.however, it's not hard to believe that 80% of these ballots will go democratic since they are more likely to be from poorer, urban areas.
I like those cartograms, its like what I would expect it to be like going immediately through the different stages on a hallucinogenic drug... Time lapse drugography.
Sorry, Im kinda bored and antsy, I know this is way off subject. Oh well.
P.S. Sorry, I dont know enough about the history of provisional ballots to add anything meaningful to this conversation, so I will probably just stop posting in this thread.
I saw Richardson say the day before election that he guaranteed that NM would go to Kerry.Governor Richardson is demanding that all the provisional ballots be counted but as well as you can imagine, there are forces trying to discard all the provisional ballots like they convieniently did in Florida last week.
I guess this is his way of delivering, just "come up" with enough ballots to pull it out for Kerry.
I could applying Dan's ed up conspiracy logic and have a little fun with this one, but it's too much fun watching Dan hang himself on the 80% when it's the first time it's used in a presidential election.
Drachen, keep posting. The more people backing each other up, the better.
I really dont like to get into debates (arguements) where I dont know the subject matter well enough to do so. I pride myself on being informed (and right!!Drachen, keep posting. The more people backing each other up, the better.: ) and if I dont know much about a subject, Im afraid my "backing" doesnt mean much.
I'm looking for verification right now, but in 2000 the same thing happened. It took New Mexico two weeks to finally tally all the provisional ballots and Gore won by 366 votes.
ABQ JournalIn the 2000 election, it took about a month for the state to determine that Al Gore had defeated President George W. Bush by 366 votes.
Election officials said they are working to count all ballots by Friday in the race between President Bush and Sen. John Kerry. In Bernalillo County, the actual counting of more than 13,000 provisional and in-lieu-of ballots might not start until Tuesday, election officials said.
Provisional ballots were cast by voters whose names didn't appear on a polling place roster or whose eligibility is in question. In-lieu-of ballots were given to voters who asked for an absentee ballot but said they did not receive one.
Since Saturday, 50 temporary county employees have been separating provisional ballots into three piles: questionable, eligible and ineligible.
Questionable ballots will be examined today after the Secretary of State's Office clarifies the election code, Bernalillo County Clerk Mary Herrera said Sunday.
"It is taking about eight hours to get through 100 precincts," said Jeff Carbajal, Bureau of Elections coordinator. "The workers realize the importance of getting it done properly."
By mid-afternoon Sunday, Carbajal said about 100 of the 400 precinct's ballots had been sorted. He said the canvassing board will work from 7 a.m. to 11 p.m. today, which could be enough time to finish 200 more precincts.
While New Mexico is the only state that does not have a clear-cut presidential winner, it is not the only state counting provisional ballots. The Help America Vote Act that President Bush passed into law last year allowed residents to vote at any precinct in their county by provisional ballot.
Herrera said she is frustrated that these ballots have to be counted by hand.
"I can't believe, with the technology we have now, we're still doing it by hand," she said. "We've got to start looking at something else."
On Friday, The Associated Press reported President Bush with an 8,588 vote lead over Kerry with more than 17,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in the state.
Although the AP has declared Bush the winner in New Mexico, John Wertheim, state Democratic chairman, said it is still possible that Kerry could win here.
It is important that every vote be counted," said Wertheim, who was observing county workers Sunday. "It is mandated by state and federal law. It's not in anyone's power to stop this process."
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Like I said, Richardson has that state locked down, if he says he can deliver it to Kerry, I'm sure he can come up with enough paper provisional ballots to make it happen.
It's obviously a liberal conspiracy to steal the election, sort of an old fashioned western "hacking" of the vote.
Here is a State and county breakdown of the 2004 Presidential election
Dan, my post was a joke. I thought some one who posts the way you do could see that!
As far as all this hacking, provisional ballots and such goes, I do have to say that I am glad that people are scrutinizing the process, especially the touchscreen machines. I simply say this because its just has a natural flow in the scientific method, we performed and experiment now we have to observe all of the results. Before I get flamed though, I really dont think it will make the difference in the election. If we do find a mistake in the programming or something, and it does, then that would be fine too. I really think that they should have a paper trail on these things, though, and where did our right go (at least in Bexar county) to "write in" a vote, I never saw that option on the screen.
I'm still waiting to hear where Nbadanallah got that 80% of provisionals go to the Demoncrat.
Because, from all I've heard, it's expected that Provisionals will mirror the statewide election percentages and not change the outcome that much, either way. Unless, of course, Nbadanallah is willing to confess that Demoncrats are more stupid than Republicans and can't seem to get their together for election day...
But, I digress, provisional ballots are challenged voters and, from what I remember on election day, there was just as many Republicans being challenged at the poll as there were Demoncrats...maybe more. So, it stands to reason (using Nbadanallah's logic) that if most of the provisionals are in urban areas -- those will be the Republican ballots cast in largely Demoncratic precincts because, well, is a Demoncratic precinct chair more likely to challenge a Republican or another Demoncrat?
Dan, you need to take a week off and drink a few bottles of Tequila. This sucks, but LET IT GO!
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