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I think that since there is weed in your avatar, we should send in our local NARC to see where all these WILD ideas are coming from.
that's not a 4 leaf clover?
I think that since there is weed in your avatar, we should send in our local NARC to see where all these WILD ideas are coming from.
I think that since there is weed in your avatar, we should send in our local NARC to see where all these WILD ideas are coming from.
that's not a 4 leaf clover?
nash averages more turnovers than TP (3.7 vs 2.7), guess he should do a better job with the ball too. turnovers with PG's are inevitable becuz they handle the ball more than anyone else. and if i'm the coach, i want my PG to take care of the ball in ever quarter not just the 4th.
When you're a team that usually has two offensive liabilities on the floor at a time, having a scoring PG is not a bad thing.
Every opportunity I get to watch the suns play do I rarely see nash turnover the ball in the 4th qtr. Let me ask you this how many turnovers in the 4th qtr is acceptable to you by a point guard?
Package TP and Duncan for ???????
this question makes no sense. every turnover is 1 to many.
i have league pass and have watched the suns play...and nash turns the ball over in the 4th quarter.
dood, no one is perfect not TP, not Nash. if TP was averaging more turnovers than Nash, i'd be worried. but to hate on him because he had a couple of turnovers in the 4th is just misguided.
It's just not this game..whenever the Spurs strugge TP is right in the middle of it usually hurting the team more than helping it. In last year's playoffs (semis)Tony parker had 22 turnovers in 7 games..that's 22 possesions our point guard gave a way in a series that was decided by 1 or 2 possesions.. Nash had 21 turnovers but had an a 3-1 assist/turnover ratio compared to TP's 1-1..
Sure you can. The only rule is you can't rationalize a PG's turnovers by how many shots he made. Because we all know an assist and a basket are vastly different things.
An assist is two points for a teammate. A basket made is two points for a stupid Frenchie that GGA hates.
it's obvious that you don't like tony and no one will convince you that he's doing and admirable job running this team.
when the spurs struggle, TP is in the middle of it along with TD, Manu, Bowen and Pop. TP alone does not cause this team to struggle. His role as defined by pop is to penetrate, and finish or dish. if you don't like his role with the team...that responsibility lies with Pop. funnel your anger there.
I'm quite certain some here believe that.So Brevin Knight > TP
Eric Snow too.
TP handles the ball ( I'm guessing) 80% of the time. If he makes bad decisions it affects the team more so than the other players do. I cannot fathom Pop telling TP force it if you have to and take the game over when you want to. If Pop does than maybe he's had to much vino..
38 points given up in the fourth quarter.
38 points.
How the do you hold a player going 6-8 with 2 turnovers responsible for that?
Find where I did and I wil be happy to answer you. Find where I blamed TP for the loss.
He's not dunking anymore, but take away last night's game and Manu was on a career season pace this year. Look up his Hollinger PER numbers sometime. He's like the 4th highest ranked SG in the NBA, and just a couple ticks behind Redd for third best.
And yes, his rating is higher than Tony's. He had a stinker of a game last night, no question, and I don't know why 5 of his 8 FGA were threes (but I don't know why he only got 8 FGA either) but Manu had an excellent December and it's not right to dump on him after one bad game.
I'm not defending the guy who started the thread, but all he said is that Tony had too many turnovers in the 4th.
Another 4th qtr collapse?
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Is anyone surprised? I don't know of any other point guard who turns the ball over more consistently in the last 6 minutes of a game than Tony parker... am I wrong? Is my TP hate coming out again?
Deductive reasoning. No mention of defensive issues or any other player's woes.
pop tells tony to attack the basket because he's a great finisher with and without the contact. and what's this nebullous makes bad decisions??? there a bad decisions in abundance on this team. tony's not the source of it. manu, TD, Pop. my god man, beno is the king of bad decisions on this team
pop tells tony to attack the basket because he's a great finisher with and without the contact. and what's this nebullous makes bad decisions??? there a bad decisions in abundance on this team. tony's not the source of it. manu, TD, Pop. my god man, beno is the king of bad decisions on this team
so then a qb and an offensive lineman both make bad decsions in a game should both shoulder equal blame?
If a football team loses 49-47 and the quarterback throws for 3 touchdowns and one interception in the 4th quarter, do you blame the quarterback?
My point is, and is well do ented, that TP usually makes bad decisions in 4th quarters of games we lose. I have always harped on his decision making and penchnat for forcing the issue at really bad times.. I have had this problem with TP long before this season..
I have written today a few times of how tired I am of Tim Duncan looking for a call while the other team races down court... Manu is the high risk/reward player on our team. Our point guard should be dependable and smart coming down the stretch.. do I want him to be perfect? Impossible everyone makes a mistake but TP seems to have a habit of doing it at really bad times..
Depends is he down 4 touchdowns? Is he ahead when he throws the int? If he does it over and over again in the 4th qtr I'd take him aside and tell him that he needs to take care of the ball in the 4th qtr and rely on his teammates. His job is to make good decisions and take care of the ball especially in the 4th qtr of a close game. This problem with TP is not just one game in my opinion..
why not? if an o lineman misses a block causing the QB to make a bad decision, he should be blamed equally. TP's play in the fourth did not lose this game for the spurs. The collapse happened well before TP's turnovers.
And my point is you chose the wrong game to make thread number 18,000,000 on the subject.My point is, and is well do ented, that TP usually makes bad decisions in 4th quarters of games we lose.
... I didn't even see this thread before my Tony vs. Manu post in that other thread.
Manu can be the worst player on the team, Tony can be the best ... and Tony still gets called out.
Classic.
tony is a capable PG for our system. sure he has lapses in performance during the season (mostly during the playoffs) but he's young and has shown a willingness to get better as evidence by his improved jumper. if he continues to get better, i'm happy.
but...he did not cause the spurs to lose last night thus my issue with this thread. the linking of his turnovers and the supposed stat padding he did at the end of the game...just unwarranted, misguided criticism.
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