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TP was the only reason the score was as close as it was in the end of the game
Is anyone surprised? I don't know of any other point guard who turns the ball over more consistently in the last 6 minutes of a game than Tony parker... am I wrong? Is my TP hate coming out again?
TP was the only reason the score was as close as it was in the end of the game
you cannot hang this on tp. this starts at the top with tim and pop. without tony attacking the basket the spurs would really suck ass.
And they should lose by more points, IMO.
However, Spurs will probably bounce back tonight, but just tonight.
You mean when they let him drive to the basket for layups when the game was out of hand? Those points you were referring to? What about the forced jumpshots he took when during the crucial possessions when the Cavs took the lead? Our point guard cannot lead the team in turnovers in the 4th qtr of games!!
This loss isn't exclusively on TP but he had a big hand in it. TP forces things and TD seems more worried about getting calls. At this point I have much more faith in Manu than TP or TD.
This seems to wrk for the first 3 qtrs.. Thne Tony goes into teh 'I'm the man' zone..in the 4th
Its not your TP hate, its your complete lack of understanding of basketball that is coming out again. How anyone in their right mind can be critical of Tony after the game he had last night is mind boggling. He was the only Spur outside of Bonner who showed up to play and you have the nerve to ask if he's the most turnover prone in the last minutes of a game? I'm really hoping that question was dripping with sarcasm because if not then I'll have to remember never to take one of your basketball posts seriously ever again.
Anybody who can start a thread bashing TP after last night's game gets the le of of Parker Hater Emeritus.
If last night Manu had played like Tony and Tony had played like Manu, there would be 1500 threads (each with 700 replies) about Manu's heart and courage and guts and will to win and intelligence and good looks and cooking skills, and 5000 posts from Walton and the usual gang about what a complete piece of Tony is.
I'm still waiting for the first thread giving Tony his propers.
tony was the only player on the spurs last night playing with any sort of passion. manu was bricking left and right and ironically the only shot he hit was a layup. after the 3rd brick you would have hoped he would start attacking the basket to get the lay up or the free throws to get his game going. but no...he just keeps chucking jumpers. this team needs 2 things, another slasher and a firecracker in the locker room to pump these pussies up. aj, elie, kersey all had that fire in them. this team right now is too ing passive.
I just don't understand some people. Manu didn't even make a basket last night till about 35 seconds left in the game. As much as everyone loves Manu, me included, he has been highly inconsistent this season and nowhere near the level he was in 2005. TP and TD have been far more consistent this season. Parker played with a lot of heart and drive last night, ironically the same level of heart and drive that everyone always praises Ginobili for. However, if you think all he was doing was stat-padding yesterday then you obviously either have some sort of personal biasness against Parker or you just don't understand basketball, as Manny pointed out.
Those of you waiting for Manu to return to 05 level can forget it.
i agree, i just don't think he has that gear anymore. we're seeing the slow decline of his abilities. i hope i'm wrong...
Didn't Parker have 6 TO's? That is way too many for a point guard.
I'm not expecting that level, but I do expect him to play better than he has been and be a little more consistent after so many years in the league...
tony has the ball in his hand most of the time so he will have more turnovers. 6 last night were too many, manu had 3.
tony averages 2.7 turnovers per game which is pretty good considering that the best point guard, steve nash averages 3.7.
people are focusing on the wrong things and wrong people to place the blame.
No TP is perfect.. his only flaw is that he has a turnover problem in the 4th qtr during critical times..other than that he's the greatest point guard ever..
Wow manny i'm hurt.. In guess TP is perfect.. let me ask you did it bother you last night when 'Tony the great' had 2 turnovers and 2 forced shots during the Cavs run? 4 possessions and 8 cav points.. game over...but I guess the rest of the game he was great..
since I don't understand basketball I will give you a football analogy
If a QB is great during quarters 1 through 3 and then struggles with fumbles and interceptions in the 4th would he continually deserve praise for his play in the first 3 quarters? Or at some point can a fan ask that he take care of the ball and not try and win every game by himself?
If those Oberto shots had fallen (he missed two or three VERY short layups, and if we could get Bruce to NOT shoot but instead give the ball up to Timmy, Tony, Matt, or Brent, unselfishly, we'd have won last night's game. Manu didn't make a meaningful basket all night, and the ONE that he made was when the game was out of reach. He also turns the ball over too much. We lack consistency from our three main guys.
Then, too, I believe some of the calls in the second half were definitely for the benefit of the home team. They were getting a lot of boos from their crowd until the calls were made mostly in their favor.
I still think we will be okay. The Spurs seem to go through this every year.
let me ask you did it bother you last night when 'Tony the great' had 2 turnovers and 2 forced shots during the Cavs run? 4 possessions and 8 cav points.. game over.
You're insane.
For one thing, neither of those "forced shots" led to any Cavs points because both were rebounded by Spurs. And one of those happened as the shot clock was winding down.
Only one of his turnovers led to a Cavs basket, and indirectly at that, since it wasn't a fast break and they scored at the free throw line.
Tony's not perfect. Never has been. Yet for some reason you idiots insist on holding him to a standard of perfection that can never be matched by any human.
The Spurs scored 28 points in the 8 minutes Tony Parker was in the game. So did the Cavs. I'm pretty sure the loss can be attributed to something besides Tony's handling of the offense in the 4th quarter.
But I'm becoming convinced that some of you don't watch the game, you just focus on whatever Tony Parker is doing and keep a list so you can post them in a new thread when the game is over.
I love it... Is there any other player in the league who could go 6 for 8 in one quarter and have a "fan" call him out for forcing shots?
the lead dwindled before that when pop trotted out the crappy lineup to start the 4th. rather than attempting to stem the tide by TO or subs uting, he completely lost the lead and got 2 techs called on him, pj 1 and we lose. and yet we want to pin the blame on TP trying to hustle and get us back in the game when everyone else was playing like ASS...sure he forced some things but at least he was trying to make something happen. TD just whined and Manu kept chucking brick until he hit his only shot...a layup late in the 4th. so i guess TP should have passed more to Manu or TD even though they weren't doing all game.
You're insane.
For one thing, neither of those "forced shots" led to any Cavs points because both were rebounded by Spurs. And one of those happened as the shot clock was winding down.
Only one of his turnovers led to a Cavs basket, and indirectly at that, since it wasn't a fast break and they scored at the free throw line.
Tony's not perfect. Never has been. Yet for some reason you idiots insist on holding him to a standard of perfection that can never be matched by any human.
The Spurs scored 28 points in the 8 minutes Tony Parker was in the game. So did the Cavs. I'm pretty sure the loss can be attributed to something besides Tony's handling of the offense in the 4th quarter.
But I'm becoming convinced that some of you don't watch the game, you just focus on whatever Tony Parker is doing and keep a list so you can post them in a new thread when the game is over.
I love it... Is there any other player in the league who could go 6 for 8 in one quarter and have a "fan" call him out for forcing shots?
No I don't watch any games. I just pick up the boxscore and post away... Probelm with this is that Tony forces the issue all of the time in the 4th qtr.. I would rather play team ball in the 4th qtr rather than watch TP take a game over..any game.. Is it to much to ask for our point guard to take care of the ball in the 4th qtr? I'm not expecting perfection but at least acknowledge that EVERY possession is to important for forcing up bad shots or forcing a drive into 5 guys? If the point guard is the primary ball handler is it to much to ask him to run the offense and not be the 'man'?
What your asking is for 8-8 instead of 6-8 and no turnovers. Yes, that's too much to ask.
what I am asking is that our point guard play like one and take care of the ball in every 4th qtr.
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