Screw 2008.

[ShoogarBear]

You have perhaps 4 seasons left in the career of the greatest player ever to don the Silver & Black. Why must we settle for a less than optimal supporting cast until then? Surely the Spurs don't believe that TD would leave in '08?

You keep TD by showing a commitment to winning. Now.

Who are you?

[SequSpur]

Who are they going to get now? They have no money, they have no assets to trade... WTF? Maggette blows. Who the were they supposed to sign? Bonzi Wells? They obviously did what they could... Signed 2 ty 3rd string centers from lottery teams, picked up an ty backup pg from Kansas, traded Rasho for a redhead and a has been... , that might be the best thing they have done in years... Got damn, what are they supposed to do? The talent pool is so watered down, players like Beno getting a fukkin extension... WTF? over.

[Mr. Body]

Wow, I've never been annoyed by SequSpur before. I feel like I've moved up a notch.

[MannyIsGod]

All of this talk presupposes there is a plan for 2008. But suppose there isn't a plan at all?

Perhaps the plan was that with the addition of Finley Barry and the usual (suspect) supporting cast, the Big three would be good enough to win it all or be in serious contention for the next few years without major additions.

At this point it looks like a miscalculation because Dallas and Phoenix appear to have gotten better. But the current team will have to play out the year(s) because we really don't have much to offer anyone in trade.

And all our young players are serious projects rather than 'can't miss' talents--including those guys in Europe.

I think you're right.

[ShoogarBear]

The plan is a business plan, not a winning plan.

In 2008, the Spurs will probably have their highest book value ever. With low salaries on the books, that would be the time for Holt to sell his shares for maximum profit.

[baseline bum]

The plan is a business plan, not a winning plan.

In 2008, the Spurs will probably have their highest book value ever. With low salaries on the books, that would be the time for Holt to sell his shares for maximum profit.

Great... so the plan is to piss away the end of Duncan's prime so that we can have the Anaheim Spurs in 2008-09.

[adidas11]

Free agency in this day and age is fool's gold, in my opinion. When was the last time a team catupulted themselves into championship contention via free agency? The last one that I can think of is Shaq back in 1996. Any of the big FA's in the 2000's almost always re-sign with their current team. (Webber, Kidd, Duncan, etc).

The only way to do it otherwise is through the draft, or through trades.

The Spurs tried the FA route a few years back, with Jason Kidd. If they were EVER going to land a superstar FA to come to San Antonio, that was the year. And it didn't happen, because financially, Kidd was still better off staying with New Jersey. Thank that to the current CBA.

And a player like Duncan comes only once or twice in a generation. Very players in the league, and in the foreseeable future, can literally move a team into championship contention on their own.

[ShoogarBear]

Great... so the plan is to piss away the end of Duncan's prime so that we can have the Anaheim Spurs in 2008-09.

That would work out well for you.

[ShoogarBear]

From a business standpoint, would the owners make any more money if they win another championship with Tim?

Perhaps incrementally, but not as much as they could make by selling a still-successful team with a low payroll, even if they never see the Finals again.

[baseline bum]

That would work out well for you.

that. I would drop the Spurs if they ever left San Antonio. I'd become Clipper fan or something.

[timvp]

The plan is a business plan, not a winning plan.

In 2008, the Spurs will probably have their highest book value ever. With low salaries on the books, that would be the time for Holt to sell his shares for maximum profit.

That was my theory after the Rasho trade when the 2008 plan really began. Holt is going to sell for like 10 times profit while the basktball in the next two years pays the price.

The Spurs trade for Maggette and the value of the franchice probably takes a 10% hit.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

It's not a dumb idea to be stuck on 2008 if you're thinking about selling the team.

But if you're not, then it's ing stupid.

I was trying to be at least a little bit cryptic back on page 1 with this.

It's the only thing that makes sense though, sad to say. And to that, I say you, Peter Holt.

[Das Texan]

That was my theory after the Rasho trade when the 2008 plan really began. Holt is going to sell for like 10 times profit while the basktball in the next two years pays the price.

The Spurs trade for Maggette and the value of the franchice probably takes a 10% hit.

Holt sells with this team remaining here (which they should)

and at least we can hopefully end this ing Holt-ing pattern.

[ShoogarBear]

Holt sells with this team remaining here (which they should)

and at least we can hopefully end this ing Holt-ing pattern.

Problem is, like everyone's been saying, once Duncan leaves it won't really matter who owns or runs the team.

Unless lightening hits a third time.

[Das Texan]

Problem is, like everyone's been saying, once Duncan leaves it won't really matter who owns or runs the team.

Unless lightening hits a third time.

Stranger things have happened.

[ShoogarBear]

Maybe newly-named Commissioner Sean Elliott will help us out.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

This is a fantastic thread and I never gave this scenario much consideration until now.


But, as some of you also may see it, I think the team is looking for longetivity and being a top 10 team for the next 10 years as oppose to a top 3/championship lock team for the next 2 years.

I'm assuming though, as mentioned earlier, that SA's front office didn't expect the Mavs and Suns to blossom the way they have, and didn't expect us to age as quickly as we have almost playing catch up to the other NBA's elite.....or West Elite anyway (is there such thing as an eastern elite this year or is that an oxymoron?).

However, as a fan, I completely agree with LJ and Marcus

2008 onward, our time is now

[slayermin]

that. I would drop the Spurs if they ever left San Antonio. I'd become Clipper fan or something.

Me too. Maybe you, Russ, and I could get tickets together. But if we do, we need to kick that dudes ass who yells "Let's go Clippers! Let's Go!"

That er is irritating as .

[T Park]

As I sit here updating the IPOD I realized something Marcus and others "demanded" during the summer, if ownership wasn't going to go into the red for the roster.

"Sell the team"

If they do that, they satisfy their wishes.

So lets say Holt is doing so, so now, satisfying what you wanted in the first place back in July, is now not what to do?


I see.

[JPB]

Because the front office doesn't want their organization to go in the dumpster after 2010. You know there IS going to be life after TD and Manu, right? It's called a long-term plan. Vision.

With the cap money in '08 the Spurs can afford to go after a big-name free agent or get two or three complimentary players to work alongside Parker, who will be the franchise cornerstone in two or three years.

Agree.
That's part of the FO job : long term vision, anticipating the future. Sure it ain't easy to be successfull now and secure the future but it doesn't mean sacrify the next decade to try to win maybe one more le wich is always uncertain, unpredictable (one rebound, one foul...)

People wants eveything now but they'd be happy in few years if spurs could still be an elite team.
Besides, I don't see why, like many people seem to think, Spurs would necessarilly had to go down and become a 0.500 team or worth after duncan retires. you don't know what can happen (who knew about TP and Manu before they came and change the Spurs).

It's up to the FO to plan that.

[Gummi]

What's the problem guys? Some guys post like we're a damn lottery team with no history of winning. We've only won three les in the last 8 seasons. Give the front office some props.

There's no '08 plan. We have our "big three" under contract until 2010. The front office will surround Tim, Tony, and Manu with solid role players like they've always done. The current team is good enough to win the le this year. Our record is great and we're on course to finish in the top 3 in the West and we'll be the team to beat along with Dallas, just like last season.

Please fans. Don't act like we're the Charlotte Bobcats. We're a great team with one of the best players to have played the game, great supporting cast and a great coach. Our front office will find a way to keep the Spurs a winning team, at least until Duncan retires. That's a fact.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

What's the problem guys? Some guys post like we're a damn lottery team with no history of winning. We've only won three les in the last 8 seasons. Give the front office some props.

There's no '08 plan. We have our "big three" under contract until 2010. The front office will surround Tim, Tony, and Manu with solid role players like they've always done. The current team is good enough to win the le this year. Our record is great and we're on course to finish in the top 3 in the West and we'll be the team to beat along with Dallas, just like last season.

Please fans. Don't act like we're the Charlotte Bobcats. We're a great team with one of the best players to have played the game, great supporting cast and a great coach. Our front office will find a way to keep the Spurs a winning team, at least until Duncan retires. That's a fact.

No, they aren't at all

Hence all the worry

[T Park]

In your opinion.

Wich is typically wild and panicky and totally full of it.

[AFBlue]

I'm not sure how much cap room they can clear in 2008. Looking at hoops hype it's not much. What, like $8M?

Oh, and PHAT TONY, I don't think Tony Parker will ever be a franchise cornerstone. He's not a franchise player, never will be.

By franchise player I mean key offensive weapon and point of emphasis for opponents' defense. It doesn't mean I think he can get it done on his own, but if he has one solid big to play off of, he'll be great. You also can't deny that this kid has not only stayed consistent, but also IMPROVED his game every year that he's been in this league. There's hardly an answer for him defensively right now, and at this pace in a year or two their won't be one at all.

I'm not sure what you judge to be a "franchise" player, but if it's not what I just listed above, then I don't know what it is...

[Marcus Bryant]

There is going to be a significant drop off once TD is gone. Once he is the team will be in rebuilding mode so there will be more than enough time to endure a couple of bad contracts or whatever. The Spurs do have some tradeable assets outside of their big 3, especially if they are willing to take back a deal with 3+ years left on it.