"Not to mention the billions of $"
I don't mention $$$, since one wasted US military life is worth much more than the $Bs, although the radical right/neo- s/Repugs talk and act like military lives are really disposable cannon fodder rather than sacred assets to be treated with utmost care and cir spection.
"the u.s. shouldn't and doesn't give a what the rest of the world thinks ... appease"
Playing the bull red-herring "appease" card again. Who said "appease"? Clanny.
The world is more interconnected and interdependent than ever.
The terrorist threat is so complicated and pervasive, the US, and every threatened country, needs all the support and co-operation it can get from friends.
When all of your major friends are against your proposal (eg, invade Iraq), you should really find out why you and they are so far apart. It turned out our friends were right, and the Repugs were wrong about Iraq.
The Repugs hubristically took Clanny's advice (" all y'all, we're the best, we know best, we're busting up Iraq"), and committed worst geo-political fiasco in US history.
"best for you and your country/family/etc."
So Iraq qualifies as "best" ?
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worst fiasco in history? hahaha.. simmer down.
either way, the u.s. will always be ridiculed for its decisions. damned if we do, damned if we don't. so, all things we do have to be in our best interests and not based on international opinion. remember, congress voted to invade iraq
"worst fiasco in history"
typical misquote "worst fiasco in US history"
... and the multi-year consequences of that fiasco are still to come.
"congress voted to invade iraq"
bull . Any Congressinal Repugs who had doubts about Iraq were intimidated/bullied by assholes like Rove and DeLay. The rest of the Repugs were just rubber stamps.
The WH cherry picked the support "intelligence", which is now disposed of as "faulty" (ie, the WH means faultiness laid not with the WH but with their own NatSec boys), and brutally classified and surpressed all doubts in the NatSec people about the evidence. WHIG and NatSec even let Powell take a bogus case to the UN.
Yes, the Congress and the press ed up, and let themselves be deceived, bullied, and intimidated by the WH into NOT checking/balancing/devils-advocating the "evidence", but the primary, overriding responsibility for Iraq is with WHIG and neo- s.
Now that the WH has hit the fan, you're trying to spread the responsibilty for Iraq far and wide. It's 100% on the WH and their neo- ideologues.
Last edited by boutons_; 01-14-2007 at 01:29 PM.
there is no hope for you son. i feel sorry for you and your hatred for your country.
If he hated this country, then the actions of this administration would have him dancing in the streets.
hatred for your country = not drinking GOP koolaid..
Bush is always right.. or you hate your country
"hate your country"
non-sequitur.
You've just been owned, now run along and go yourself.
congress voted for the war. repubs and demos. democratically elected by the people of the u.s.a.
and boutons, you've never owned anything nor anyone. you're a talker and not a doer like many of your other buddies. always ing about and never doing anything. full , but no solutions
"congress voted for the war"
true, but it's typical of your deep, repe ive dishonesty that it's only a half-truth, selected to support your losing side and position.
What have you done, Clanny, about any you've seen?
you can't whip my ass, so you think you can disqualify me from the fight.
wordless? cool, an self-imposed STFU
it is just that no matter what happens you blame bush. congress voted for the war. you say disregard that... then you come up with you can't whip my ass... haha... even though i'm sure i could. but it is funny to see you resort to that! haha.. you're a joke.
btw, there is a special on tin foil at heb. tell dan, i'm sure you guys are together playing d&d or something like that. get out of the house for a bit.
Hold your own congressmen accountable first for ignoring your plight, or put up and shut up.
Blame your local congressman for the war! It was their idea! Not Bush's!
if bush was so ed up why did a majority of congressman side with him? do they not have a mind?
that is what i am saying.
No, according to you, it was Paul wolfowitz's.
Second, they sold you out, so yeah their not saint's either.
It certainly was Wolfowitz et.al. that was the driving force behind it, but as you all are so happy to point out when it suits you, Bushy is the commander-in-chief and bears the ultimate responsibility for all of this.
And no, I won't let folks like Hillary Clinton off the hook. Many of the Democrats voted for the war simply out of fear of looking soft on national security or trying to guess how a military action might turn out. Both sides had folks acting out of sheer cynicism and political concern, ignoring the best interest of this country and the men and women they sent off to die.
Once the board Republicans can admit how badly the administration ed up, the sooner they can get past their pussy blame deflection game and think about what really needs to be done.
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also, CLINTON was the one that was quoted in the article.
We got that days ago, doofus.
well, obviously you're still stuck on blaming bush for the whole thing.
There was a congressional debate over this, if the evidence was that flimsy as liberals claim, then it could have been avoided.
Heck, we've made Tom Delay step with weaker evidence.
If 3,000 Americans had died because of Delay's indictment, you might have a point.
Bush is the decider and CINC. The others are complicit but he is ultimately responsible. Why can't Republicans accept that?
Why are you using Delays indictment? You totally missed my point.
I said that if congress made delay step down on weak evidence, they could have also in the same manner shot down Bush's war on by that token.
Trying to say that i'm linking Delay to the case for war being misused, is a cheap shot attempt at trying to best me. It works with Mookie and pixel since they don't bother reading.
And last, How can I hold Bush accountable for a war i think should be carried on. I'd contradict myself.
Because you brought it up.Why are you using Delays indictment?
And I said the Democrats who voted for the war for political purposes were complicit.And last, How can I hold Bush accountable for a war i think should be carried on. I'd contradict myself.
Bush is accountable either way.
i Did bring Delay up,
but that's still weak knowingly trying to spin some one's words to up one for egotistical purposes.
Wouldn't you agree.
Not at all. I never would've said anything about Delay had you not brought him up. It was a weak analogy you made and it deserved to be exposed as such.
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